Comments on: Still Dreaming http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/ Natural Hair, Beauty, Fashion and Makeup Blog Mon, 21 May 2012 07:02:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: One Make Up Artistry | My Cosmetics Choice http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1233359 One Make Up Artistry | My Cosmetics Choice Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:07:50 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-1233359 [...] last yet seemingly most popular. You are a low contrast style and what is not a requirements of time stress and will create the illusion of bigger look to the face and [...] [...] last yet seemingly most popular. You are a low contrast style and what is not a requirements of time stress and will create the illusion of bigger look to the face and [...]

]]> By: Martin, Obama, and an Ongoing Dream | afrobella http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-193134 Martin, Obama, and an Ongoing Dream | afrobella Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:49:32 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-193134 [...] to CNN, 69 percent of blacks believe that Dr. King’s dream has come to light. In 2007 I wondered if we were still dreaming, and quoted segments of Dr. King’s most famous speech — the I Have a Dream speech, [...] [...] to CNN, 69 percent of blacks believe that Dr. King’s dream has come to light. In 2007 I wondered if we were still dreaming, and quoted segments of Dr. King’s most famous speech — the I Have a Dream speech, [...]

]]> By: busted_english http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-6873 busted_english Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:23:53 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-6873 This is late, but I have a dream that people will let Dr. King's, "I Have A Dream" speech rest and start to look at some of the later speeches he made. The ones after visiting Cicero, Illinois where he became a lot more radical because he realized the incidious ways in which racism works. It's not simply about not speaking english,not being a respectable kind of black (like soem of your commenters insist) being friends/intimate with white people, it's about a system of oppression. I think the most damaging thing that has been done to Dr. King's legacy is that he's reduced to being the dreamer, and not to his message after that dream. His message of a reality in which he realized the interlocking societal struggles, and not "little white girls and little black girls being together", but the fact that after we're together there is a centuries long history that we have to confront and debunk which contains internalized racial superiority of whites and internalized hatred of POC. You can't confront 500 years of struggle with "60 years of civil rights" and think that we're all going to be fine because we can be "rich". (There were rich people of color even during what most would consider the "most racist times in this country." There has almost always been a black middle class whether they were native born or immigrants.) People actually believe the fight for civil rights is over, and it's not. Every black person the USA could speak broadcast English, stop saying "nigga", buy into Pan-Africanism, and do all the right things that will supposedly make us more acceptable and yet there would still be racism. Look at the people that they hold up as the new model minorities, Asians and Latinos (when it used to be biracial/lighter skinned black people). They still experience racism. No amount of intermixing is going to change that because we've been intermixing (sometimes forcibly) for the last 500 years. We need a reality like the one Dr. King finally recognized before his death. We need to start talking about it realistically, not from the standpoint of the dream, but from the standpoint of his radical reality of class and race. I think he would have gotten to gender/sex eventually, but he recognized it's about a system of oppression. This is late, but I have a dream that people will let Dr. King’s, “I Have A Dream” speech rest and start to look at some of the later speeches he made. The ones after visiting Cicero, Illinois where he became a lot more radical because he realized the incidious ways in which racism works. It’s not simply about not speaking english,not being a respectable kind of black (like soem of your commenters insist) being friends/intimate with white people, it’s about a system of oppression.

I think the most damaging thing that has been done to Dr. King’s legacy is that he’s reduced to being the dreamer, and not to his message after that dream. His message of a reality in which he realized the interlocking societal struggles, and not “little white girls and little black girls being together”, but the fact that after we’re together there is a centuries long history that we have to confront and debunk which contains internalized racial superiority of whites and internalized hatred of POC. You can’t confront 500 years of struggle with “60 years of civil rights” and think that we’re all going to be fine because we can be “rich”. (There were rich people of color even during what most would consider the “most racist times in this country.” There has almost always been a black middle class whether they were native born or immigrants.) People actually believe the fight for civil rights is over, and it’s not.

Every black person the USA could speak broadcast English, stop saying “nigga”, buy into Pan-Africanism, and do all the right things that will supposedly make us more acceptable and yet there would still be racism. Look at the people that they hold up as the new model minorities, Asians and Latinos (when it used to be biracial/lighter skinned black people). They still experience racism. No amount of intermixing is going to change that because we’ve been intermixing (sometimes forcibly) for the last 500 years. We need a reality like the one Dr. King finally recognized before his death. We need to start talking about it realistically, not from the standpoint of the dream, but from the standpoint of his radical reality of class and race. I think he would have gotten to gender/sex eventually, but he recognized it’s about a system of oppression.

]]> By: afrobella » If Wishes Were Horses… http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-5569 afrobella » If Wishes Were Horses… Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:17:05 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-5569 [...] This goes back to my MLK Day post, how much longer do we have to dream? [...] [...] This goes back to my MLK Day post, how much longer do we have to dream? [...]

]]> By: Nikita http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3860 Nikita Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:38:46 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3860 I dream that we will once again get back to respecting and uplifting each other collectively and in the way the individual person needs. Until we can get to doing THAT, too few of us will respect and honor the decision of another to marry or get involved with a member of a different race. Internally first, the problem of respecting and uplifiting each other within is the first issue we have to solve. We get caught up in what do you have on, what are you driving and how are you living and not enough focus is put on and how are you, are you advancing and improving yourself, stepping out of your comfort zone, challening who and what you are. It is what we have collectively, shamefully fallen for, materialism over character. Hopefully, prayerfully we will get back to honoring in high esteem good character again. I dream that we will once again get back to respecting and uplifting each other collectively and in the way the individual person needs. Until we can get to doing THAT, too few of us will respect and honor the decision of another to marry or get involved with a member of a different race. Internally first, the problem of respecting and uplifiting each other within is the first issue we have to solve. We get caught up in what do you have on, what are you driving and how are you living and not enough focus is put on and how are you, are you advancing and improving yourself, stepping out of your comfort zone, challening who and what you are. It is what we have collectively, shamefully fallen for, materialism over character. Hopefully, prayerfully we will get back to honoring in high esteem good character again.

]]> By: Niki http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3795 Niki Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:20:21 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3795 I dream that we will never stop striving to seek "the truth". That we start honoring our greatness and the stuggles of those who have gone before, and not just pullinng them out off the shelf on MLK day and during Black History Month like an old, dusty family album that we flip through and put back in the attic until next year. That our sense of community is renewed. I dream that we will never stop striving to seek “the truth”. That we start honoring our greatness and the stuggles of those who have gone before, and not just pullinng them out off the shelf on MLK day and during Black History Month like an old, dusty family album that we flip through and put back in the attic until next year. That our sense of community is renewed.

]]> By: jerseybred http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3752 jerseybred Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:56:31 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3752 What are you still dreaming of?: A day when all people TRULY accept another's differences. What are you still dreaming of?: A day when all people TRULY accept another’s differences.

]]> By: Thaddeus C. http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3730 Thaddeus C. Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:19:00 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3730 Someday, I'd like to awake and see that this "Dream" is a living and breathing reality. As of now, it is just a dream. R.I.P. Alice Coltrane Someday, I’d like to awake and see that this “Dream” is a living and breathing reality. As of now, it is just a dream.

R.I.P. Alice Coltrane

]]> By: Dahls http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3726 Dahls Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:17:26 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3726 I believe that the barriers that we ( minorities) first faced are almost all eradicated. There is no doubt that racism and discrimination still exist but they are not the strong holds that they were before. I agree with the sentiments that most have expressed, that it seemes that we are now our worst enemies. I also saw the comments on concrete loop, and was disappointed by them but by no means was I surprised. I have no qualms about interracial couples in reality or on film. I have observed and engaged in this argument many times, and the reactions have always been mixed. I believe that the barriers that we ( minorities) first faced are almost all eradicated. There is no doubt that racism and discrimination still exist but they are not the strong holds that they were before. I agree with the sentiments that most have expressed, that it seemes that we are now our worst enemies. I also saw the comments on concrete loop, and was disappointed by them but by no means was I surprised. I have no qualms about interracial couples in reality or on film. I have observed and engaged in this argument many times, and the reactions have always been mixed.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.afrobella.com/2007/01/15/still-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-3703 Jennifer Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:59:12 +0000 http://afrobella.com/?p=141#comment-3703 Reply to tantiejean post: I went to an all Black private high school in Chicago, IL, and we had school on MLK day. I believe what our school president believes, which is a black man, that MLK day has become just a day off. Most people and especially students don't even know why they are off, they just know it's a day off from work or school. My president believed that we should be in school learning because that is what MLK would have wanted. We observed his birthday in school while stilling getting our education. I believe people should still go on about their day as normal, but observe the day by going to musuem, doing a volunteer service project, going to see a special MLK event, etc. My president also believed by having the day off from school/work was the opposite of MLK dream. Reply to tantiejean post:

I went to an all Black private high school in Chicago, IL, and we had school on MLK day. I believe what our school president believes, which is a black man, that MLK day has become just a day off. Most people and especially students don’t even know why they are off, they just know it’s a day off from work or school. My president believed that we should be in school learning because that is what MLK would have wanted. We observed his birthday in school while stilling getting our education. I believe people should still go on about their day as normal, but observe the day by going to musuem, doing a volunteer service project, going to see a special MLK event, etc. My president also believed by having the day off from school/work was the opposite of MLK dream.

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