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		<title>By: Gorgeous Black Women</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2008/08/28/ethnically-ambiguous/comment-page-1/#comment-141329</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorgeous Black Women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope or expect?

I hope to see new or underemployed Black and Asian models on every catwalk.  I expect to see Chanel, Jourdan, Sessilee and maybe Arlenis, Alek and Liya.  

To me, the above models aren&#039;t really ethnically ambiguous but multiracial.  Nicole from the Pussy Cat Dolls is ethnically ambiguous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope or expect?</p>
<p>I hope to see new or underemployed Black and Asian models on every catwalk.  I expect to see Chanel, Jourdan, Sessilee and maybe Arlenis, Alek and Liya.  </p>
<p>To me, the above models aren&#8217;t really ethnically ambiguous but multiracial.  Nicole from the Pussy Cat Dolls is ethnically ambiguous.</p>
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		<title>By: CocoaDiva</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2008/08/28/ethnically-ambiguous/comment-page-1/#comment-140172</link>
		<dc:creator>CocoaDiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they are making strides to include the more curvy women in fashion.  Why else have some of the regular store like Express or the Gap started to make designs for &quot;Curvy&quot; women.  I can now fit jeans and clothes I was unable to fit before.  I am also inspired that there is a Vouge Italia.  This shows that we are recognized as a viable force and consumer power.  Progress is slow but continuing.


Bella - I am live in Vegas..if you have Vegas questions or thoughts hit me up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are making strides to include the more curvy women in fashion.  Why else have some of the regular store like Express or the Gap started to make designs for &#8220;Curvy&#8221; women.  I can now fit jeans and clothes I was unable to fit before.  I am also inspired that there is a Vouge Italia.  This shows that we are recognized as a viable force and consumer power.  Progress is slow but continuing.</p>
<p>Bella &#8211; I am live in Vegas..if you have Vegas questions or thoughts hit me up!</p>
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		<title>By: Ogee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys have to keep in mind who actually runs the fashion industry.  WHITE women and those who are trying to make insecure WHITE women feel good about themselves.

Its not about the industry trying to look down, snub or make others feel any less, its those who are running the industry trying to to make white women feel good about themselves and to continue to target their wallets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have to keep in mind who actually runs the fashion industry.  WHITE women and those who are trying to make insecure WHITE women feel good about themselves.</p>
<p>Its not about the industry trying to look down, snub or make others feel any less, its those who are running the industry trying to to make white women feel good about themselves and to continue to target their wallets.</p>
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		<title>By: Where Do You Find Beauty Inspiration? &#124; afrobella</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2008/08/28/ethnically-ambiguous/comment-page-1/#comment-140073</link>
		<dc:creator>Where Do You Find Beauty Inspiration? &#124; afrobella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and include us regardless of their spotty track record in doing so? Bianca, a commenter on that Ethnically Ambiguous post, dropped some knowledge that has lingered with me all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and include us regardless of their spotty track record in doing so? Bianca, a commenter on that Ethnically Ambiguous post, dropped some knowledge that has lingered with me all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bella</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2008/08/28/ethnically-ambiguous/comment-page-1/#comment-138235</link>
		<dc:creator>bella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bianca, your comment is inspiring, and that will definitely lead me to another post -- finding real life fashion and beauty inspiration all around us instead of looking to a publication for validation. Love it. 

melaniecheryl, I am from a family exactly as the one you describe. Myself, my sister, my brothers are all of varied complexions and hair types. It&#039;s more than commonplace where I am from to see families with skin shades that run the gamut from chocolate brown to honey beige and back again. The point of this post is that by defining the models of choice as &quot;tomboyish&quot; and &quot;ethnically ambiguous,&quot; it&#039;s a way to only feature models of a certain skin tone and hair type, thereby excluding models of a darker hue or kinkier texture. 

My whole point is that they can and should feature models like your children who you so beautifully describe, but why should they not feature them alongside models whose ethnicity isn&#039;t ambiguous but is instantly apparent? Why not feature models all shades of beautiful, to prove that these clothes look good on everyone? Why make race or skin color a trend to be discarded within a single season? I am sorry that this post leaves you cold, but I am thinking you didn&#039;t get my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bianca, your comment is inspiring, and that will definitely lead me to another post &#8212; finding real life fashion and beauty inspiration all around us instead of looking to a publication for validation. Love it. </p>
<p>melaniecheryl, I am from a family exactly as the one you describe. Myself, my sister, my brothers are all of varied complexions and hair types. It&#8217;s more than commonplace where I am from to see families with skin shades that run the gamut from chocolate brown to honey beige and back again. The point of this post is that by defining the models of choice as &#8220;tomboyish&#8221; and &#8220;ethnically ambiguous,&#8221; it&#8217;s a way to only feature models of a certain skin tone and hair type, thereby excluding models of a darker hue or kinkier texture. </p>
<p>My whole point is that they can and should feature models like your children who you so beautifully describe, but why should they not feature them alongside models whose ethnicity isn&#8217;t ambiguous but is instantly apparent? Why not feature models all shades of beautiful, to prove that these clothes look good on everyone? Why make race or skin color a trend to be discarded within a single season? I am sorry that this post leaves you cold, but I am thinking you didn&#8217;t get my point.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ish</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I SO agree w/Bianca. Why do we look to the fashion industry to represent diversity and &#039;stay true&#039; the rainbow of browns and beiges that are their consumers when they make clothes for women shaped like pre-pubescent boys??? That&#039;s like asking someone to &#039;at least&#039; call you Ma&#039;am as they cuss you out. The original sin of disrespect is in the fact that the industry is telling us (women) that we&#039;re not even fit to wear the clothes designed for us; damn the whole racial issue. That&#039;s an afterthought to the ignorance as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I SO agree w/Bianca. Why do we look to the fashion industry to represent diversity and &#8217;stay true&#8217; the rainbow of browns and beiges that are their consumers when they make clothes for women shaped like pre-pubescent boys??? That&#8217;s like asking someone to &#8216;at least&#8217; call you Ma&#8217;am as they cuss you out. The original sin of disrespect is in the fact that the industry is telling us (women) that we&#8217;re not even fit to wear the clothes designed for us; damn the whole racial issue. That&#8217;s an afterthought to the ignorance as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: flygyrl72</title>
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		<dc:creator>flygyrl72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instant/Vintage - We&#039;re talking about people, not picture frames.  And if I&#039;m spending my money on your painting, then yeah, I might have something to say about your choice of frame.  I&#039;m the one whose money you want. 
 
No one&#039;s saying that everytime &amp; in every show it has to be the Rainbow Coalition, but there is an alarming lack of diversity among the models out there compared to how varied it was in the seventies/eighties.  It&#039;s racial discrimination.  I&#039;ve read interviews with model bookers saying that these companies flat out tell them not to send any Black models cause they&#039;re not going to use them in the shows this season.  That&#039;s inexcusable.  If you choose to shrug &amp; accept it, fine, but don&#039;t try to justify what they&#039;ve been doing. This goes beyond artistic points of view.  It&#039;s been an increasing problem. The designers, of course are artistic &amp; deserve creative license, but need to be accountable if they&#039;re consistently practicing a habit of exclusion.  

Edesse brings up a great point about what we have to bring to the table, &amp; I agree that there are still far too few of us that have major clout on the end of the decision-making spectrum.  But I&#039;d like to remind you Edesse, that we count for billions of dollars spent each year.  We do have a LOT of buying clout &amp; can throw some of our weight around if we chose to do it &amp; organize. We DO bring something to the table.  Check it out...
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.san&amp;s=76412&amp;Nid=39298&amp;p=929348


b. - Well said.  I couldn&#039;t agree more.  Ditto for Los Angelista &amp; Olivia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instant/Vintage &#8211; We&#8217;re talking about people, not picture frames.  And if I&#8217;m spending my money on your painting, then yeah, I might have something to say about your choice of frame.  I&#8217;m the one whose money you want. </p>
<p>No one&#8217;s saying that everytime &amp; in every show it has to be the Rainbow Coalition, but there is an alarming lack of diversity among the models out there compared to how varied it was in the seventies/eighties.  It&#8217;s racial discrimination.  I&#8217;ve read interviews with model bookers saying that these companies flat out tell them not to send any Black models cause they&#8217;re not going to use them in the shows this season.  That&#8217;s inexcusable.  If you choose to shrug &amp; accept it, fine, but don&#8217;t try to justify what they&#8217;ve been doing. This goes beyond artistic points of view.  It&#8217;s been an increasing problem. The designers, of course are artistic &amp; deserve creative license, but need to be accountable if they&#8217;re consistently practicing a habit of exclusion.  </p>
<p>Edesse brings up a great point about what we have to bring to the table, &amp; I agree that there are still far too few of us that have major clout on the end of the decision-making spectrum.  But I&#8217;d like to remind you Edesse, that we count for billions of dollars spent each year.  We do have a LOT of buying clout &amp; can throw some of our weight around if we chose to do it &amp; organize. We DO bring something to the table.  Check it out&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.mediapost.com/publications/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.san&amp;s=76412&amp;Nid=39298&amp;p=929348" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediapost.com/publications/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.san&amp;s=76412&amp;Nid=39298&amp;p=929348</a></p>
<p>b. &#8211; Well said.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  Ditto for Los Angelista &amp; Olivia.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an equal opportunity advisor as my career choice (and a pure Trini, afro-wearing diva :-) I have to say I am not surprised by the industry&#039;s &quot;grey area&quot; comment. It is my opinion that we are once again experiencing the attitude of &quot;white privilege.&quot; I am not laying fault or blame on any person(s) because it is the entire industry that accepts and encourages these comments to be socially acceptable. On the other hand, what are the consumers, viewers, bloggers, individuals, &quot;diverse&quot; society going to do about it? Globally diverse cultures are the majority and spend the most money. Yet, are represented less on the same products that they purchase. Question, now that we know, now what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an equal opportunity advisor as my career choice (and a pure Trini, afro-wearing diva <img src='http://www.afrobella.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I have to say I am not surprised by the industry&#8217;s &#8220;grey area&#8221; comment. It is my opinion that we are once again experiencing the attitude of &#8220;white privilege.&#8221; I am not laying fault or blame on any person(s) because it is the entire industry that accepts and encourages these comments to be socially acceptable. On the other hand, what are the consumers, viewers, bloggers, individuals, &#8220;diverse&#8221; society going to do about it? Globally diverse cultures are the majority and spend the most money. Yet, are represented less on the same products that they purchase. Question, now that we know, now what?</p>
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		<title>By: LBellatrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>LBellatrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melaniecheryl: Unless I&#039;m reading incorrectly, we&#039;re not talking about culturally ambiguous. We&#039;re talking about physically, optically ambiguous. If your kids appear as though they&#039;re not a single race, then people WILL treat them differently...at least, that&#039;s what the fashion world seems to want to do.

I find it fascinating that after all these years people still have a problem distinguishing between &quot;physically black&quot; and &quot;culturally black.&quot; I know black people who are &quot;racially ambiguous&quot; and will swear up and down they&#039;re not mixed when it&#039;s OBVIOUS that they are. Why being mixed is a bad thing -- I mean, you can&#039;t help who your great-grandfather was -- I still don&#039;t know. I don&#039;t have a problem with today&#039;s more immediately mixed people claiming all their heritage -- it&#039;s their right -- but I do have a problem with anybody, regardless of race or heritage, perpetuating a white supremacist attitude by going along with the notion that &quot;racially ambiguous&quot; is somehow better than the alternative.

To that end, I completely agree that this desire for ambiguity is more about minimizing black features than it is about minimizing anybody else&#039;s features. And I agree that appreciating diversity in ALL forms (including my dark-skinned, racially unambiguous form) is what needs to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melaniecheryl: Unless I&#8217;m reading incorrectly, we&#8217;re not talking about culturally ambiguous. We&#8217;re talking about physically, optically ambiguous. If your kids appear as though they&#8217;re not a single race, then people WILL treat them differently&#8230;at least, that&#8217;s what the fashion world seems to want to do.</p>
<p>I find it fascinating that after all these years people still have a problem distinguishing between &#8220;physically black&#8221; and &#8220;culturally black.&#8221; I know black people who are &#8220;racially ambiguous&#8221; and will swear up and down they&#8217;re not mixed when it&#8217;s OBVIOUS that they are. Why being mixed is a bad thing &#8212; I mean, you can&#8217;t help who your great-grandfather was &#8212; I still don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t have a problem with today&#8217;s more immediately mixed people claiming all their heritage &#8212; it&#8217;s their right &#8212; but I do have a problem with anybody, regardless of race or heritage, perpetuating a white supremacist attitude by going along with the notion that &#8220;racially ambiguous&#8221; is somehow better than the alternative.</p>
<p>To that end, I completely agree that this desire for ambiguity is more about minimizing black features than it is about minimizing anybody else&#8217;s features. And I agree that appreciating diversity in ALL forms (including my dark-skinned, racially unambiguous form) is what needs to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Los Angelista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Los Angelista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Racially ambiguous&quot; is just a coded way of saying &quot;Doesn&#039;t look black&quot;.  Same ole same ole from the fashion industry.  Someone needs to crack these morons on the head till they get that black is beautiful in and of itself. Heck, does Michelle Obama look racially ambiguous?  Thank goodness my mom used to take me to the Ebony Fashion Fair every time it came through town.  It was my only chance growing up to see so many black models wearing high fashion stuff.  Too bad that hasn&#039;t change in all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Racially ambiguous&#8221; is just a coded way of saying &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t look black&#8221;.  Same ole same ole from the fashion industry.  Someone needs to crack these morons on the head till they get that black is beautiful in and of itself. Heck, does Michelle Obama look racially ambiguous?  Thank goodness my mom used to take me to the Ebony Fashion Fair every time it came through town.  It was my only chance growing up to see so many black models wearing high fashion stuff.  Too bad that hasn&#8217;t change in all these years.</p>
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