Comments on: The Straight Dope, From Doe Deere

By: Jenn

Jenn — Fri, 11 May 2012 22:44:39 +0000

As a creator of mineral makeup, I also buy my ingredients from TKB. They are a great resource, but as I said, they are ingredients. I buy micas, oxides, etc, and I mix everything myself. I have documentation of every formula I have, every color I have created, so on. I will admit that I have thought about repackaging micas, but the truth of the matter is that although micas are really nice, without some kind of base powder added to them, the lasting power is cut short, and all you have is shimmery powder that looks good for a little while. I don’t necessarily have a problem with repackaging, however, when you have branded yourself on being creative, and plainly stating that everything made ans sold is of your own design and creation, that is what you live up to. Stating that and then using something that is not of your design and creation does and should leave people with a bad taste in their mouth. I am NOT saying this is what she has or is doing, but if it is and she bluntly lies about it then she is in the wrong. Beauty From The Earth has repackaged as well as created their own products. Sometimes this is a way to get off the ground while getting your own products going. They have, since all of this LC business came out, stated that they have done this and they have gone so far as to label what is repackaged and most of them are now discontinued. This is good business. From what I understand Doe/Xenia has not and has gone so far as to be hateful about it. This in my eyes gives all of us who are working hard to truly create our own products a bad name and I myself will not purchase from her or associate myself with her.

By: Monica

Monica — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:32:30 +0000

I’m confused about the mass amount of hate as well. I just don’t get it.

Especially since I bought one of her lipsticks before I knew anything about the company, and it’s literally the best lipstick I own. Opaque, superbright, and moisturizing, and just stays on all night, rain or shine, even after meals and drinks and sweat and dancing, etc. You wake up in the morning and it still looks perfect. (It’s Retrofuturist, if anyone’s wondering). I liked it so much, I bought several more colors.

People go on and on about how her makeup’s repackaged, but it her lipsticks are then how come you can’t find half those colors any place else?

By: ashley

ashley — Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:29:49 +0000

I totally agree with this! You are paying for the brand, why is that such a bad thing? I feel like a lot of people are just bemoaning extremely common business practices and Lime Crime is a target because it is an indie brand that is getting a lot of mainstream/hipster hype and success because it curated a brand that appealed to that demographic, unlike other make up brands that may be repacking who may appeal to a more niche group than “Nylon Readers.”

It seems like there’s really only one way to get the brightest blue, there is only so much you can do to improve a formula. Building a brand is an actually extremely time consuming task and a lot more difficult than just setting up a twitter account. What is wrong with her time and effort building a brand being compensated?

By: Sarah S.

Sarah S. — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:16:20 +0000

I am intrigued by the controversy with repackaging, as well. Sooo many companies (not just makeup companies) do it. Clearly all the people who are furious have no concept of modern commerce. I work for a company who makes several different products, one example of which are car brake pads. We buy them from our vendors and even sell them to our competitors, and they “repackage” them and sell them as their own and we know this. There is nothing criminal going on at all – it would only be criminal if the wholesaler brought suit. Anyway, no I’m not a Doe Deere fan or hater, I just thought I’d point out that most of the haters seem to be coming from a perspective that is ignorant of business and production.

By: sharon

sharon — Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:38:26 +0000

I’m new to all this lime crime controversy but I do think it seems to be very personal to her. The reason I say that is the fact that lots of sellers are doing similar things but don’t appear to be in the limelight. I’m trying to think of an example here and one that springs to mind is a finishing powder product that contains mica. Just plain mica, nothing else. It’s great as a finishing powder but isn’t that cheating a bit? Now there’s lots of companies doing that but nothing is being highlighted or maybe it’s the fact that no-one has noticed.. As someone before has mentioned no-one is beign forced to buy her things so it does now seem a little bit odd how far some of these blogs are going to prove their point. Just my opinion I know but I think it’s all just a little bit weird.

By: sharon

sharon — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:56:58 +0000

Where do TKB get their mica’s from? Can they be accused of re-packageing from their wholsalers and marking them up as that is exactly what they do, that’s business. They don’t make them either but I get the message that the don’t charge exhorbitantly

By: sharon

sharon — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:51:39 +0000

There is such laws as ditance selling laws that ALL online companies have to abide by

By: Unicorn Vomit

Unicorn Vomit — Sat, 09 Apr 2011 07:10:11 +0000

Doe Deere is just vile. Straight up.

By: Neshie

Neshie — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:55:43 +0000

IMHO, I think that the big issue with Doe repackaging is the fact that she continues to LIE about it and the fact that she’s been very mean and hateful to bloggers who don’t like her product. She’s threatened people with legal action for saying that they don’t like her product (not just Gothique but this girl on YouTube also). To me, that is awful business practice. For all of you who are saying that repackaging/marking up is just what businesses do, let me ask you this. How would you feel if you went and bought a pair of 700 dollar Christian Louboutin’s only to find out that they’re selling the exact same shoe (not a knock off, the EXACT SAME SHOE) at the flea market for 10 dollars and the only difference is that the flea market shoes don’t come with the box? You’d be pissed off, no? I know I would. That’s f’n craziness. Now i think that it would be an entirely different story if Doe bought the micas from TKB and mixed colors up herself. No one would be complaining about that. It’s the fact that her 20 dollar product is the exact same as something you can get for 2 dollars! That’s ridiculous and honey if MAC or NARS or any other brand that i’d actually pay 20 bucks for an eyeshadow did that, i’d be online ranting and raving and calling for their heads on a motherflippin platter! There’s also been several other controversies that Doe has been involved in including a scam involving asking people to donate to an animal shelter that she apparently made up and stealing clothing designs from Shrinkle aka Amy aka the lady who makes Sugarpill cosmetics. Also, for those of you who asked why wouldn’t TKB distance themselves from her publicly.. um.. because they don’t care? They don’t care if she repackages the stuff and sells it for 100 dollars a jar as long as they get their cut. They’re a wholeseller. They could care less what you do with the product after you get it. Now I will say that there are some people who are waaaaaayyyyyy worse than Doe (like Kathy from Bitchslap cosmetics who is selling things that aren’t even safe for the eye on her website as eyeshadow), but I think that the Doe backlash is totally warranted.

By: Ghost.

Ghost. — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:50:06 +0000

I was wondering the same thing! It seems as though people really have nothing better to do than to bash others online, and for what reason? What personal gain or satisfaction are people getting out of this? I read a very hate-filled blog on EncyclopediaDramatica about Doe Deere’s alleged business practices, and saw that this person actually took the time to defile this woman’s character in a very angry, immature manner. I’m wondering what personal harm has Doe inflicted on this person to deserve such character assassination? It all seems very immature, and a huge waste of time.

Also, I noticed one person commented on how Lime Crime “makes” her customers pay a huge price for her products, and I wanted to clarify something. No one is forcing anyone to pay any price for any product. If someone feels that a price is too high for the product they wish to purchase, the logical solution is to not buy the product. For example, I will not purchase certain name brand clothing simply for the fact that I think they blow up prices for cheaply made clothing, simply to support a brand name. This is my choice, and why I usually choose not to pay for name brands. You pay for the name, not just for the materials.