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		<title>By: Asylum</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1299729</link>
		<dc:creator>Asylum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing I do when I see people spazzing out over Limecrime is point them at the controversy and go on my merry way. I don&#039;t think that&#039;d count as bullying or harassing. Yes, some people do take it too far, but I don&#039;t feel that warning someone against a brand would be any worse than warning someone not to jump off of a bridge. Xenia has blatantly lied to customers, attacked and threatened (the lawsuit against a review? That is a threat punishable by law and counts as harassment) people openly on various websites, included people who have stated again and again that they do not want to be included, used racial stereotypes [and then refused to even make a &#039;true&#039; apology about them], and other terrible things. She is nowhere near as bad as glittersniffer, but out of the top 5 companies to avoid, she is my #2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I do when I see people spazzing out over Limecrime is point them at the controversy and go on my merry way. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;d count as bullying or harassing. Yes, some people do take it too far, but I don&#8217;t feel that warning someone against a brand would be any worse than warning someone not to jump off of a bridge. Xenia has blatantly lied to customers, attacked and threatened (the lawsuit against a review? That is a threat punishable by law and counts as harassment) people openly on various websites, included people who have stated again and again that they do not want to be included, used racial stereotypes [and then refused to even make a 'true' apology about them], and other terrible things. She is nowhere near as bad as glittersniffer, but out of the top 5 companies to avoid, she is my #2.</p>
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		<title>By: Needs to stop</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1293109</link>
		<dc:creator>Needs to stop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just have to comment here, if anything but to get this out of my system. (thanks for the opportunity to rant)

I hate what wolves have been formed out of this.

Those that are against Lime Crime constantly call on LC and LC fans as bullies. They say they get pushed around, they say there are calls to attack bloggers who give negative reviews (before you comment, I&#039;ve seen it all with my own eyes. Would I consider what happened with Temptalia a &quot;call to attack&quot;? absolutely not). What the truth is now? They are now the bullies and attackers. God forbid anyone (especially a blogger) say anything good about Lime Crime. 

If you&#039;re a blogger and you post about Lime Crime? It could be the most dry, objective review that offers multiple disclaimers stating it is solely a product review and not of the company and instantly the blog gets numerous hateful comments and people unfollowing like they are avoiding leprosy. God forbid you like one of the products- that must a)make you a bad person b)a bad person who doesn&#039;t have any ethics or morals c)in cahoots with the owner d)benefiting/profiting in some way e)a sheeple.

I have tried the products- I have never experienced any problems. I love them and would recommend them. They are fantastic, amazing products. The company is also allowed to price them at whatever the hell they damn please, regardless of what the cost was to them.

As far as the repackaging claim? You know what, I believe it. And you know what else? Who gives a good damn. My response is a story about a ring I purchased at Neiman Marcus.

I stumbled upon this grotesquely huge flower and pearl ring priced for $110. I thought about it for a good week and finally decided to go back to buy it. Exactly one month later the exact same ring was being sold at Target for $10. No, not one similar to it, not a dupe, not anything but literally the exact same ring from the exact same manufacturer and company. Did I get pissed at Neiman Marcus? Or at Target? Did I feel like I was scammed? Hell no. It was my choice as a consumer; not an entitlement! I can&#039;t tell you how often I see brand names repackaging other products from other companies. Why? For the most part there are only a handful of parent companies. You think Loreal and Maybelline are different companies? Think again. How about MAC and clinique? Nope, they&#039;re the same company. Olay, Max Factor, Cover Girl? The same. This list goes on and on...

We are conditioned to look at them as separate entities because that is how they are able to capitalize on multiple avenues and from multiple target audiences. There&#039;s a reason dupes look the same so often, and it is because they are the same product.

With LC, what did they do? TKB isn&#039;t a make-up company it is a company that sells pigments and ingredients used to make makeup. They are a company whose purpose is to sell ingredients to makeup companies to use, repackage, and sell. The pigments sold from TKB were then added to different ingredients and additives (that did not alter the colors) by LC and then packaged and sold. AS THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE. This is how makeup works, or do people not know this?

To everyone who hates LC, I say this:
I respect your opinion and while I disagree I understand your side. Stop bullying and harassing those who support the brand. It is said that the human species always needs an antagonist, an enemy. That is exactly what I am seeing in this situation. Just because some does or does not like the product, does not make them your antagonist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to comment here, if anything but to get this out of my system. (thanks for the opportunity to rant)</p>
<p>I hate what wolves have been formed out of this.</p>
<p>Those that are against Lime Crime constantly call on LC and LC fans as bullies. They say they get pushed around, they say there are calls to attack bloggers who give negative reviews (before you comment, I&#8217;ve seen it all with my own eyes. Would I consider what happened with Temptalia a &#8220;call to attack&#8221;? absolutely not). What the truth is now? They are now the bullies and attackers. God forbid anyone (especially a blogger) say anything good about Lime Crime. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a blogger and you post about Lime Crime? It could be the most dry, objective review that offers multiple disclaimers stating it is solely a product review and not of the company and instantly the blog gets numerous hateful comments and people unfollowing like they are avoiding leprosy. God forbid you like one of the products- that must a)make you a bad person b)a bad person who doesn&#8217;t have any ethics or morals c)in cahoots with the owner d)benefiting/profiting in some way e)a sheeple.</p>
<p>I have tried the products- I have never experienced any problems. I love them and would recommend them. They are fantastic, amazing products. The company is also allowed to price them at whatever the hell they damn please, regardless of what the cost was to them.</p>
<p>As far as the repackaging claim? You know what, I believe it. And you know what else? Who gives a good damn. My response is a story about a ring I purchased at Neiman Marcus.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon this grotesquely huge flower and pearl ring priced for $110. I thought about it for a good week and finally decided to go back to buy it. Exactly one month later the exact same ring was being sold at Target for $10. No, not one similar to it, not a dupe, not anything but literally the exact same ring from the exact same manufacturer and company. Did I get pissed at Neiman Marcus? Or at Target? Did I feel like I was scammed? Hell no. It was my choice as a consumer; not an entitlement! I can&#8217;t tell you how often I see brand names repackaging other products from other companies. Why? For the most part there are only a handful of parent companies. You think Loreal and Maybelline are different companies? Think again. How about MAC and clinique? Nope, they&#8217;re the same company. Olay, Max Factor, Cover Girl? The same. This list goes on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>We are conditioned to look at them as separate entities because that is how they are able to capitalize on multiple avenues and from multiple target audiences. There&#8217;s a reason dupes look the same so often, and it is because they are the same product.</p>
<p>With LC, what did they do? TKB isn&#8217;t a make-up company it is a company that sells pigments and ingredients used to make makeup. They are a company whose purpose is to sell ingredients to makeup companies to use, repackage, and sell. The pigments sold from TKB were then added to different ingredients and additives (that did not alter the colors) by LC and then packaged and sold. AS THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE. This is how makeup works, or do people not know this?</p>
<p>To everyone who hates LC, I say this:<br />
I respect your opinion and while I disagree I understand your side. Stop bullying and harassing those who support the brand. It is said that the human species always needs an antagonist, an enemy. That is exactly what I am seeing in this situation. Just because some does or does not like the product, does not make them your antagonist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1286058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a creator of mineral makeup, I also buy my ingredients from TKB. They are a great resource, but as I said, they are ingredients. I buy micas, oxides, etc, and I mix everything myself. I have documentation of every formula I have, every color I have created, so on. I will admit that I have thought about repackaging micas, but the truth of the matter is that although micas are really nice, without some kind of base powder added to them, the lasting power is cut short, and all you have is shimmery powder that looks good for a little while. I don&#039;t necessarily have a problem with repackaging, however, when you have branded yourself on being creative, and plainly stating that everything made ans sold is of your own design and creation, that is what you live up to. Stating that and then using something that is not of your design and creation does and should leave people with a bad taste in their mouth. I am NOT saying this is what she has or is doing, but if it is and she bluntly lies about it then she is in the wrong. Beauty From The Earth has repackaged as well as created their own products. Sometimes this is a way to get off the ground while getting your own products going. They have, since all of this LC business came out, stated that they have done this and they have gone so far as to label what is repackaged and most of them are now discontinued. This is good business. From what I understand Doe/Xenia has not and has gone so far as to be hateful about it. This in my eyes gives all of us who are working hard to truly create our own products a bad name and I myself will not purchase from her or associate myself with her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a creator of mineral makeup, I also buy my ingredients from TKB. They are a great resource, but as I said, they are ingredients. I buy micas, oxides, etc, and I mix everything myself. I have documentation of every formula I have, every color I have created, so on. I will admit that I have thought about repackaging micas, but the truth of the matter is that although micas are really nice, without some kind of base powder added to them, the lasting power is cut short, and all you have is shimmery powder that looks good for a little while. I don&#8217;t necessarily have a problem with repackaging, however, when you have branded yourself on being creative, and plainly stating that everything made ans sold is of your own design and creation, that is what you live up to. Stating that and then using something that is not of your design and creation does and should leave people with a bad taste in their mouth. I am NOT saying this is what she has or is doing, but if it is and she bluntly lies about it then she is in the wrong. Beauty From The Earth has repackaged as well as created their own products. Sometimes this is a way to get off the ground while getting your own products going. They have, since all of this LC business came out, stated that they have done this and they have gone so far as to label what is repackaged and most of them are now discontinued. This is good business. From what I understand Doe/Xenia has not and has gone so far as to be hateful about it. This in my eyes gives all of us who are working hard to truly create our own products a bad name and I myself will not purchase from her or associate myself with her.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1277995</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m confused about the mass amount of hate as well. I just don&#039;t get it. 

Especially since I bought one of her lipsticks before I knew anything about the company, and it&#039;s literally the best lipstick I own. Opaque, superbright, and moisturizing, and just stays on all night, rain or shine, even after meals and drinks and sweat and dancing, etc. You wake up in the morning and it still looks perfect. (It&#039;s Retrofuturist, if anyone&#039;s wondering). I liked it so much, I bought several more colors. 

People go on and on about how her makeup&#039;s repackaged, but it her lipsticks are then how come you can&#039;t find half those colors any place else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about the mass amount of hate as well. I just don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>Especially since I bought one of her lipsticks before I knew anything about the company, and it&#8217;s literally the best lipstick I own. Opaque, superbright, and moisturizing, and just stays on all night, rain or shine, even after meals and drinks and sweat and dancing, etc. You wake up in the morning and it still looks perfect. (It&#8217;s Retrofuturist, if anyone&#8217;s wondering). I liked it so much, I bought several more colors. </p>
<p>People go on and on about how her makeup&#8217;s repackaged, but it her lipsticks are then how come you can&#8217;t find half those colors any place else?</p>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1275851</link>
		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with this! You are paying for the brand, why is that such a bad thing? I feel like a lot of people are just bemoaning extremely common business practices and Lime Crime is a target because it is an indie brand that is getting a lot of mainstream/hipster hype and success because it curated a brand that appealed to that demographic, unlike other make up brands that may be repacking who may appeal to a more niche group than &quot;Nylon Readers.&quot;

It seems like there&#039;s really only one way to get the brightest blue, there is only so much you can do to improve a formula. Building a brand is an actually extremely time consuming task and a lot more difficult than just setting up a twitter account. What is wrong with her time and effort building a brand being compensated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this! You are paying for the brand, why is that such a bad thing? I feel like a lot of people are just bemoaning extremely common business practices and Lime Crime is a target because it is an indie brand that is getting a lot of mainstream/hipster hype and success because it curated a brand that appealed to that demographic, unlike other make up brands that may be repacking who may appeal to a more niche group than &#8220;Nylon Readers.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems like there&#8217;s really only one way to get the brightest blue, there is only so much you can do to improve a formula. Building a brand is an actually extremely time consuming task and a lot more difficult than just setting up a twitter account. What is wrong with her time and effort building a brand being compensated?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah S.</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-1271807</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am intrigued by the controversy with repackaging, as well.  Sooo many companies (not just makeup companies) do it.  Clearly all the people who are furious have no concept of modern commerce. I work for a company who makes several different products, one example of which are car brake pads.  We buy them from our vendors and even sell them to our competitors, and they &quot;repackage&quot; them and sell them as their own and we know this. There is nothing criminal going on at all - it would only be criminal if the wholesaler brought suit. Anyway, no I&#039;m not a Doe Deere fan or hater, I just thought I&#039;d point out that most of the haters seem to be coming from a perspective that is ignorant of business and production.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued by the controversy with repackaging, as well.  Sooo many companies (not just makeup companies) do it.  Clearly all the people who are furious have no concept of modern commerce. I work for a company who makes several different products, one example of which are car brake pads.  We buy them from our vendors and even sell them to our competitors, and they &#8220;repackage&#8221; them and sell them as their own and we know this. There is nothing criminal going on at all &#8211; it would only be criminal if the wholesaler brought suit. Anyway, no I&#8217;m not a Doe Deere fan or hater, I just thought I&#8217;d point out that most of the haters seem to be coming from a perspective that is ignorant of business and production.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m new to all this lime crime controversy but I do think it seems to be very personal to her. The reason I say that is the fact that lots of sellers are doing similar things but don&#039;t appear to be in the limelight. I&#039;m trying to think of an example here and one that springs to mind is a finishing powder product that contains mica. Just plain mica, nothing else. It&#039;s great as a finishing powder but isn&#039;t that cheating a bit? Now there&#039;s lots of companies doing that but nothing is being highlighted or maybe it&#039;s the fact that no-one has noticed.. As someone before has mentioned no-one is beign forced to buy her things so it does now seem a little bit odd how far some of these blogs are going to prove their point. Just my opinion I know but I think it&#039;s all just a little bit weird.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to all this lime crime controversy but I do think it seems to be very personal to her. The reason I say that is the fact that lots of sellers are doing similar things but don&#8217;t appear to be in the limelight. I&#8217;m trying to think of an example here and one that springs to mind is a finishing powder product that contains mica. Just plain mica, nothing else. It&#8217;s great as a finishing powder but isn&#8217;t that cheating a bit? Now there&#8217;s lots of companies doing that but nothing is being highlighted or maybe it&#8217;s the fact that no-one has noticed.. As someone before has mentioned no-one is beign forced to buy her things so it does now seem a little bit odd how far some of these blogs are going to prove their point. Just my opinion I know but I think it&#8217;s all just a little bit weird.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do TKB get their mica&#039;s from? Can they be accused of re-packageing from their wholsalers and marking them up as that is exactly what they do, that&#039;s business. They don&#039;t make them either but I get the message that the don&#039;t charge exhorbitantly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do TKB get their mica&#8217;s from? Can they be accused of re-packageing from their wholsalers and marking them up as that is exactly what they do, that&#8217;s business. They don&#8217;t make them either but I get the message that the don&#8217;t charge exhorbitantly</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is such laws as ditance selling laws that ALL online companies have to abide by]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is such laws as ditance selling laws that ALL online companies have to abide by</p>
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		<title>By: Unicorn Vomit</title>
		<link>http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/#comment-882056</link>
		<dc:creator>Unicorn Vomit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 07:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doe Deere is just vile. Straight up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doe Deere is just vile. Straight up.</p>
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