Comments on: The Straight Dope, From Doe Deere http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/ ~ all shades of beautiful Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:48:37 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lynda http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-288359 Lynda Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:57:03 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-288359 For the price she's charging, I'd rather buy Mac or a nice lipstick from Sephora. I am sticking to well-known brands :-) For the price she’s charging, I’d rather buy Mac or a nice lipstick from Sephora. I am sticking to well-known brands :-)

]]> By: Luficin http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-286545 Luficin Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:12:26 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-286545 I'm not going to claim for certain Doe repackages or not. There is a big possibility she does but I don't think comparison of colors is sufficient enough to use as proof. (You can have tons of different combinations of colors to make similar looking product colors and I honestly don't think our ability to tell colors apart is THAT trustworthy). I think the only way we could know for sure is by analyzing the amount of each chemical that went in her products and comparing with others but face it, this isn't that easy to do. One of the points that was brought up was, if TKB does sell to Doe, and know she is repackaging, wouldn't they stop selling to her? This is a logical question, but I disagree. The definition of wholesaling is for people who buy from them to resell. In other words, TKB can't say jack squat on how much someone charges the wholesaled goods. Plus no matter how much the wholesaled goods are going for, it doesn't change that TKB made a sale to them, so likely they wouldn't want to lose that sale even if a person that buys from them is making a whole lot of money off it. But like I said, whether Doe does buy from TKB or others, it's hard to tell just by color swatches. Now, I do want to shed some light on what Doe says that makes me question her "process." Doe herself claims she is no chemist... and after seeing the video, and her claims I agree. If she had better knowledge of how chemists work, she would've come up with a more convincing story. I am a chemist and will provide my views. Maybe you'll agree with the logic or not... please comment. She said she makes a color sample and sends it off to a lab where chemists match the color. She seems to believe chemists have some magical device that tells you exactly what the components are in a given sample. I'm not saying there's not a possibilty this magical device doesn't exist... but if it did, I'm sure chemists would have better use of it then to figure out the color composition in some formula.. which could be very well avoided if Doe just wrote down how much of what she mixed. The chemists could "match" the colors close enough... but if that's what Doe means, why the hell do you need chemists to do that? It's just unnecessary use of expensive labor. (I also don't think she realizes how much you have to pay REAL scientists) But even this is speculation and I don't consider it proof enough. However, I do not support Lime Crime for the simple fact that she is charging a whole lot for items that you can find a really cheaper substitute. Let's say for the sake of argument that she does make her own stuff and she has to charge a lot because her super amazing process takes a lot of money. If she reached the similar products, that's really bad efficiency. It's her choice to be efficient or not, but she's making the customers pay for this inefficiency. I wonder how she is still so popular and expanding... If she can get away with charging a whole lot for similar products, what is she doing that's so novel? This isn't a sarcastic question, I sincerely want to know. People aren't dumb. But yet, she's making them pay the extra for similar goods? I’m not going to claim for certain Doe repackages or not. There is a big possibility she does but I don’t think comparison of colors is sufficient enough to use as proof. (You can have tons of different combinations of colors to make similar looking product colors and I honestly don’t think our ability to tell colors apart is THAT trustworthy). I think the only way we could know for sure is by analyzing the amount of each chemical that went in her products and comparing with others but face it, this isn’t that easy to do. One of the points that was brought up was, if TKB does sell to Doe, and know she is repackaging, wouldn’t they stop selling to her? This is a logical question, but I disagree. The definition of wholesaling is for people who buy from them to resell. In other words, TKB can’t say jack squat on how much someone charges the wholesaled goods. Plus no matter how much the wholesaled goods are going for, it doesn’t change that TKB made a sale to them, so likely they wouldn’t want to lose that sale even if a person that buys from them is making a whole lot of money off it. But like I said, whether Doe does buy from TKB or others, it’s hard to tell just by color swatches. Now, I do want to shed some light on what Doe says that makes me question her “process.” Doe herself claims she is no chemist… and after seeing the video, and her claims I agree. If she had better knowledge of how chemists work, she would’ve come up with a more convincing story. I am a chemist and will provide my views. Maybe you’ll agree with the logic or not… please comment. She said she makes a color sample and sends it off to a lab where chemists match the color. She seems to believe chemists have some magical device that tells you exactly what the components are in a given sample. I’m not saying there’s not a possibilty this magical device doesn’t exist… but if it did, I’m sure chemists would have better use of it then to figure out the color composition in some formula.. which could be very well avoided if Doe just wrote down how much of what she mixed. The chemists could “match” the colors close enough… but if that’s what Doe means, why the hell do you need chemists to do that? It’s just unnecessary use of expensive labor. (I also don’t think she realizes how much you have to pay REAL scientists) But even this is speculation and I don’t consider it proof enough. However, I do not support Lime Crime for the simple fact that she is charging a whole lot for items that you can find a really cheaper substitute. Let’s say for the sake of argument that she does make her own stuff and she has to charge a lot because her super amazing process takes a lot of money. If she reached the similar products, that’s really bad efficiency. It’s her choice to be efficient or not, but she’s making the customers pay for this inefficiency. I wonder how she is still so popular and expanding… If she can get away with charging a whole lot for similar products, what is she doing that’s so novel? This isn’t a sarcastic question, I sincerely want to know. People aren’t dumb. But yet, she’s making them pay the extra for similar goods?

]]> By: morgan http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-282974 morgan Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:50:12 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-282974 OK there are alot of people here saying they know how makeup is made and that if you know the ins and outs of how it is made you can clearly see that Doe Deere's is repackaged. First of all, I work for an independent makeup company run by Samala Robingson. I am a makeup artist and have seen how makeup has been make many times and have even made my own colours. you are all saying that the way she makes her eyeshadow is exactly the same as TKB, well im sorry but this is how most makeup companies make colours, it does not mean they are repackaged or are 'copying' one another, this is just the basic and common way of making colours. Also you are complaining about the way she is making it, please she isnt selling the sample, she is just showing you how she makes it, im sure she actually takes alot more care when making her samples and she would also give them a fomula, not just the sample. I know you are all going to jump on this comment but these are the facts, Doe Deere is as involved as one can be when it comes to making makeup products. And just because TKB did not state whether her colours are repackaged from them it does not mean they are, if they say "no" then other companies who repackage there colours from them could pull out or make complaints that private information was released, even if it was about another company. It is honestly upsetting how you are all assuming the worst or thinking you know how makeup is made because I can tell you, everyone on this comment thread has it wrong. Please dont think im just a hardcore fan of Doe Deere's or that im just trying to revive a debate, This is just the facts, coming from a professional in the makeup industry. Please stop spreading these bad rumours because you are all trying to find evidence against her where there isnt any. I also understand alot of you are just worried customers and even fans who just want answers and that is your right and good on you for taking an interest instead of just using the product, but please understand none of what these people are saying is actual evidence that she is lying or repackaging. I dont know whether she does or not but nothing anyone is saying is hard evidence. Please keep this in mind. OK there are alot of people here saying they know how makeup is made and that if you know the ins and outs of how it is made you can clearly see that Doe Deere’s is repackaged. First of all, I work for an independent makeup company run by Samala Robingson. I am a makeup artist and have seen how makeup has been make many times and have even made my own colours. you are all saying that the way she makes her eyeshadow is exactly the same as TKB, well im sorry but this is how most makeup companies make colours, it does not mean they are repackaged or are ‘copying’ one another, this is just the basic and common way of making colours. Also you are complaining about the way she is making it, please she isnt selling the sample, she is just showing you how she makes it, im sure she actually takes alot more care when making her samples and she would also give them a fomula, not just the sample. I know you are all going to jump on this comment but these are the facts, Doe Deere is as involved as one can be when it comes to making makeup products. And just because TKB did not state whether her colours are repackaged from them it does not mean they are, if they say “no” then other companies who repackage there colours from them could pull out or make complaints that private information was released, even if it was about another company. It is honestly upsetting how you are all assuming the worst or thinking you know how makeup is made because I can tell you, everyone on this comment thread has it wrong. Please dont think im just a hardcore fan of Doe Deere’s or that im just trying to revive a debate, This is just the facts, coming from a professional in the makeup industry. Please stop spreading these bad rumours because you are all trying to find evidence against her where there isnt any. I also understand alot of you are just worried customers and even fans who just want answers and that is your right and good on you for taking an interest instead of just using the product, but please understand none of what these people are saying is actual evidence that she is lying or repackaging. I dont know whether she does or not but nothing anyone is saying is hard evidence. Please keep this in mind.

]]> By: Jessica Allison http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-278247 Jessica Allison Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:04:32 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-278247 So, imagine my delight at seeing my blog mentioned on Afrobella! I'm honored, but also a bit dumb-founded to see that I've been lumped into a group of Lime Crime "disparagers." Hopefully my blog posts regarding the brand speak for themselves, but for you and your readers, I'd love to clarify that I have nothing against Xenia or Lime Crime. As a beauty blogger, I consider it my journalistic responsiblity to discuss things that are vital to the conversation of the time. The Lime Crime debacle was one such example. I've not harped on about the situation, aside from a review of the line and a tutorial of a look that I created with it (which was actually positive and written well before any controversy) I've only posted twice about Lime Crime. My initial post comparing wholesale to retail pigments wasn't even solely about Lime Crime, it featured several other brand comparisons as well. I, like you, contacted Xenia, with whom I've communicated before. I did not receive a direct response, but her infamous YouTube response was posted the next day, so I wrote a follow up to update my readers. I feel that it was unbiased, and in fact, I even pointed out examples of major companies doing similar things to what Lime Crime is accused of doing. I do feel it important to point out that while Xenia makes it sound like the controversy has been blown out of proportion by a small but loud group of bloggers, reports show that since I published my Mica Comparison in September, over 67% of the visitors have come to read specifically about this issue. That's several thousand visits, so obviously, people do care. Again, I want to reiterate, I'm not trying to debase Xenia, or ruin her business. I followed her for years before she even created Lime Crime, at one time, my site was even featured on the "press" page of Lime Crime's website. I simply feel like it's important to share information as openly and honestly as I can. Thanks again for the mention, I hope you and your readers will drop by OutInAPout.com sometime for some of my less controversial posts! :) So, imagine my delight at seeing my blog mentioned on Afrobella! I’m honored, but also a bit dumb-founded to see that I’ve been lumped into a group of Lime Crime “disparagers.”

Hopefully my blog posts regarding the brand speak for themselves, but for you and your readers, I’d love to clarify that I have nothing against Xenia or Lime Crime.

As a beauty blogger, I consider it my journalistic responsiblity to discuss things that are vital to the conversation of the time. The Lime Crime debacle was one such example.

I’ve not harped on about the situation, aside from a review of the line and a tutorial of a look that I created with it (which was actually positive and written well before any controversy) I’ve only posted twice about Lime Crime. My initial post comparing wholesale to retail pigments wasn’t even solely about Lime Crime, it featured several other brand comparisons as well.

I, like you, contacted Xenia, with whom I’ve communicated before. I did not receive a direct response, but her infamous YouTube response was posted the next day, so I wrote a follow up to update my readers. I feel that it was unbiased, and in fact, I even pointed out examples of major companies doing similar things to what Lime Crime is accused of doing.

I do feel it important to point out that while Xenia makes it sound like the controversy has been blown out of proportion by a small but loud group of bloggers, reports show that since I published my Mica Comparison in September, over 67% of the visitors have come to read specifically about this issue. That’s several thousand visits, so obviously, people do care.

Again, I want to reiterate, I’m not trying to debase Xenia, or ruin her business. I followed her for years before she even created Lime Crime, at one time, my site was even featured on the “press” page of Lime Crime’s website. I simply feel like it’s important to share information as openly and honestly as I can.

Thanks again for the mention, I hope you and your readers will drop by OutInAPout.com sometime for some of my less controversial posts! :)

]]> By: Michelle http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-277202 Michelle Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:53:49 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-277202 You know, this all seems a little ridiculous to me. While I imagine that if one was to truly get down to bottom of this controversy, the answer would lie somewhere between column A and column B. I do think that if TKB were Lime Crime's wholesaler, and they felt they were in any way in danger of being linked to unethical business practices, even inderectly, they would have publicly distanced themselves from Lime Crime. However, they did not, which tells me that either they are NOT Lime Crime's distributor, or they don't feel that these claims can be substantiated. Another point: I have, on more occasions than I can count, purchased products that I was unhappy with and/or felt didn't live stand up to a the claims of the company who sold them. Or that I felt simply weren't worth they hefty price tag. While I may have been disappointed, even irritated, I have never felt the kind of anger, or felt the need to persue the kind of crusade against a company, like that which I have seen in regard to Lime Crime. I mean, we're not talking about sweat shops or abusing of animals here. If you don't like the product and don't feel that it's worth the money, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. IF these claims are true, it will all come out in the wash eventually. People are smart enough to make their own choices. Actively trying to sabotage someone's comany in this manor is immature and lacks credibility. If you people are truly so concerned about ethical business practices, contact the Better Business Bureau and get a valid investigation under way. If you are going to demand that Lime Crime to put its money where its mouth is, so should you. You know, this all seems a little ridiculous to me. While I imagine that if one was to truly get down to bottom of this controversy, the answer would lie somewhere between column A and column B. I do think that if TKB were Lime Crime’s wholesaler, and they felt they were in any way in danger of being linked to unethical business practices, even inderectly, they would have publicly distanced themselves from Lime Crime. However, they did not, which tells me that either they are NOT Lime Crime’s distributor, or they don’t feel that these claims can be substantiated. Another point: I have, on more occasions than I can count, purchased products that I was unhappy with and/or felt didn’t live stand up to a the claims of the company who sold them. Or that I felt simply weren’t worth they hefty price tag. While I may have been disappointed, even irritated, I have never felt the kind of anger, or felt the need to persue the kind of crusade against a company, like that which I have seen in regard to Lime Crime. I mean, we’re not talking about sweat shops or abusing of animals here. If you don’t like the product and don’t feel that it’s worth the money, don’t buy it. It’s as simple as that. IF these claims are true, it will all come out in the wash eventually. People are smart enough to make their own choices. Actively trying to sabotage someone’s comany in this manor is immature and lacks credibility. If you people are truly so concerned about ethical business practices, contact the Better Business Bureau and get a valid investigation under way. If you are going to demand that Lime Crime to put its money where its mouth is, so should you.

]]> By: Shatteredshards http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-273758 Shatteredshards Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:09:47 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-273758 Notice how the Gothique post you linked to has already disappeared? Because Miss Doe threatened her with legal action if she didn't take it down. And then when Gothique's retraction wasn't good enough, Doe forced her into using an "apology" that Doe wrote herself. That's pretty drastic actions for one review blog who said "the lipsticks aren't that great and and aren't worth the money," don't you think? An honest business owner wouldn't resort to such Internet Drama antics, right? Notice how the Gothique post you linked to has already disappeared? Because Miss Doe threatened her with legal action if she didn’t take it down. And then when Gothique’s retraction wasn’t good enough, Doe forced her into using an “apology” that Doe wrote herself.

That’s pretty drastic actions for one review blog who said “the lipsticks aren’t that great and and aren’t worth the money,” don’t you think? An honest business owner wouldn’t resort to such Internet Drama antics, right?

]]> By: L http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-273733 L Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:07:24 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-273733 Well I'm glad you're not a journalist if you're not willing to research and ask the hard questions. You seem to have already have a bias in favor of her, not that there isn't already bias against her. If she had owned up from the start like one other mineral makeup company it wouldn't be an issue. Well I’m glad you’re not a journalist if you’re not willing to research and ask the hard questions. You seem to have already have a bias in favor of her, not that there isn’t already bias against her. If she had owned up from the start like one other mineral makeup company it wouldn’t be an issue.

]]> By: Cacau http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-272665 Cacau Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:01:24 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-272665 My problem is that I loved Doe's blog and that I bought her eyeshadows for I really supported the idea of a girl who came out of nothing creating her own unique products. After I spent more than a 100$ on Lime Crime I've found out about the repackaging thing. I'm brazilian. 100$ is a REALLY big buy. I'm a college student and I can't spend money easily.... So, I e-mailed Xenia about all the things I've heard and she just answered that it was ridiculous, but, while I've asked for her version of the story, she did not make anything clear to me. Then I saw comments being deleted. Most were not accusing but making questions. I felt worried... Then I made a bigger research and found about other scams and things like this.... I felt really disappointed. And, of course, angry. Since I did not get an answer from Doe I started to post on every single blog I've found. Maybe her fans had the answers. While I'm glad that she tried to explain herself, and I wish she'd do that when we first asked about her, her video is not actually like it should be... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccNupgAHtw I've seen this video from other company and, really, this is how Doe's video should be. There's a video just like hers at TKB.... I'm not on a witch hunt. I just want things to be clear. If she is repackaging I'd like to hear her saying it I'd respect her a lot more. If she is not repackaging I'd wish she'd explain why the colors look so much alike and, if proven she's not repackaging, I'd really apologize! I'm glad she posted a video. I wish she'd not call everyone haters. While some people are being insane and rude and while the fake-comment is an absurd most of people are just making questions. Most people are just disappointed costumers. When you promise something unique, hand-made, you expect it... I'm not buying from them anymore, but I'll enjoy my products when then arrive and then I'll start to buy from companies who truly make their own products and that I know I can trust. My problem is that I loved Doe’s blog and that I bought her eyeshadows for I really supported the idea of a girl who came out of nothing creating her own unique products.

After I spent more than a 100$ on Lime Crime I’ve found out about the repackaging thing. I’m brazilian. 100$ is a REALLY big buy. I’m a college student and I can’t spend money easily….

So, I e-mailed Xenia about all the things I’ve heard and she just answered that it was ridiculous, but, while I’ve asked for her version of the story, she did not make anything clear to me.

Then I saw comments being deleted. Most were not accusing but making questions. I felt worried…
Then I made a bigger research and found about other scams and things like this….

I felt really disappointed. And, of course, angry.

Since I did not get an answer from Doe I started to post on every single blog I’ve found. Maybe her fans had the answers.

While I’m glad that she tried to explain herself, and I wish she’d do that when we first asked about her, her video is not actually like it should be…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nccNupgAHtw

I’ve seen this video from other company and, really, this is how Doe’s video should be.
There’s a video just like hers at TKB….

I’m not on a witch hunt. I just want things to be clear. If she is repackaging I’d like to hear her saying it I’d respect her a lot more.
If she is not repackaging I’d wish she’d explain why the colors look so much alike and, if proven she’s not repackaging, I’d really apologize!

I’m glad she posted a video. I wish she’d not call everyone haters. While some people are being insane and rude and while the fake-comment is an absurd most of people are just making questions. Most people are just disappointed costumers.
When you promise something unique, hand-made, you expect it…

I’m not buying from them anymore, but I’ll enjoy my products when then arrive and then I’ll start to buy from companies who truly make their own products and that I know I can trust.

]]> By: Christine http://www.afrobella.com/2009/11/12/the-straight-dope-from-doe-deere/comment-page-1/#comment-272645 Christine Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:36:41 +0000 http://www.afrobella.com/?p=1926#comment-272645 Ditto to ceecee...I say, ehh, it's just makeup right? But Bella, seriously the pink on you is just wonderful! so cute. Ditto to ceecee…I say, ehh, it’s just makeup right?

But Bella, seriously the pink on you is just wonderful! so cute.

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