Down, But Not Defeated

I know I’m not the only political news-observer who woke up in a cloud of gloom this morning. Apparently the voters in Pennsylvania see something I don’t, in HRC. I have tried really hard to not allow the swelling, souring personal feelings inside me color my political coverage on this blog. I do have strong views about each candidate, but I also am aware that not everyone shares them. And at the end of it all, I want to keep the tone of Afrobella as positive as possible. I want readers of all creeds, races, and candidate choices to enjoy Afrobella, and to feel welcome here. I know how off-putting political grandstanding can be.

But…

Having said that, this great New York Times editorial, titled The Low Road to Victory, says everything I feel this morning, but more eloquently:

The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it. Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.”

Bellas, fellas — how do you feel? What would you like to see change in the campaign, as we head towards Indiana and North Carolina? I personally hope that the politics of fear and pandering take a backseat to actually addressing the issues that are facing this country.

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  1. She actually had the nerve to say that she was running a positive campaign on the news this morning. I don’t know any non republicans who are willing to vote for her, should she win the nomination, and that is a sad state of affairs for real.

  2. bossipgirl says:

    I am in the worst mood today. I hate Billary and their politics makes me sick. You didn’t say it bella but i will — they are just as bad as the republicans in my book.

  3. The editorial is spot on. I’ve been mostly an HRC supporter (Im in the UK so it’s meaningless but there you go) because after a decade of Blair, I am very wary of charm. But in the last two weeks I’ve been increasingly alienated by her. The “who will keep you safe” rhetoric in particular is poisonous. I’m now very definitely rooting for Obama.

  4. bossipgirrl says:

    if she gets the nomination there is no way i could get out there and vote. i know that sounds crazy but she is just as bad as mccain in my book

  5. I had the same feeling this morning.

    HRC’s campaign has been really ugly. I work in politics and my colleagues on both sides of the political spectrum agree that this race has been off the hook – Hillary has fought with the gloves off. Its been damaging to the party and the Dems may have to pay for it in November.

  6. Amen bella. I read that Times article. It is dead on. I was so sad when I turned on the news here this morning. I still can’t follow Italian that well but I did understand the graphics and saw the margin of victory. I don’t think the tone is going to change. HRC is running out of money, is still behind in the delegate count and the popular vote. I think her goal is too bloody Obama so badly that she could say to the superdelegates, he cannot win. If they superdelegates still choose the frontrunner (Obama), she assumes he will lose to McCain, four years later she can run and say “I told you so”.

    My issue is not that HRC is still in the race but how she has chosen to run her campaign. It’s beyond cynical. She has some really pieces of work on her team like Harold Ickes. These folks revel in the blood sport part of politics. Meanwhile gas is skyrocketing, the dollar is a falling to record lows (this one causes me to lose sleep since I earn my living in dollars but live in a euro country now. sigh), people are losing their houses left and right, education in America is a joke (see today’s Bob H. column on the NYTs . It’s beyond scary. I fear for the future) but instead we are hearing about flag pins!

    Before working in film I worked in politics. I have worked on some pretty intense campaigns. I have NEVER seen a primary this ugly in my life. As a democrat it really upsets me.

  7. I’m going to need Obama to show more fight. There is the high road and there’s the road to nowhere. The road to nowhere might be high as well, but it sure doesn’t lead to the White House.
    There is a way to fight fair and he needs to figure it out – quickly.

  8. Yesterday I got up extra early and went to my polling place just a few blocks from my house. I was the second person to arrive at the old church where I’ve voted for the past 15 years. I was extremely hopeful of the outcome although I knew how hard it would be for Obama to pull off an upset. This is a large state that feels more like a small town.

    After CNN made the prediction that HRC had won, I went to bed. I closed shop. I was done. This morning I took the long way to work. I picked up a copy of the New York Times and also found the article of which you mention in this post. It was comforting. So after a strong cup of coffee, I dusted myself off and took on the day.

    I am still hopeful.
    It’s not over till it’s over.

    Xica Bahia

  9. I think it will be business as usual for HRC. She has decided on a course of action w/respect to her campaign that resembles a demolition derby. That will not change. She continues to believe that the American public is ok w/her “tactics”. I say we all let her know what we think of her campaign and how it’s been run w/the ballot box.

    I keep my head up because Sen. Obama does. He gave a great speech in Indiana and I sense that for him, the beat goes on. He knows the game, how it’s played and he knows it well. This will not be easy. He knows it and we know it, but then again, nothing worthwhile ever is.

    Keep Your Eyes On The Prize.

  10. Also wanted to add -

    The math doesn’t lie and he continues to lead in delegates. Make no mistake, it’s about delegates and BOTH candidates have conceded this very point. No matter how the media and HRC spin it, 1+1=2 and nothing ever changes that point.

  11. edessedesigns says:

    It’s Hillary’s job to convince us that she is the best candidate and it is Obama’s job to do the same. Historically speaking, Hillary’s campaign is not nearly as negative as some of you suggest. Obama needs to answer Hillary’s jabs and punches with solid comebacks–not whine about them. Obama saying things like “Hillary is in her element” is not going to cut it. He needs to answer her low blows with a swift and effective kick otherwise he won’t make it to the white house.

  12. Ahh I’m from Philly and I voted yesterday but I have to say it a lot of people weren’t coming out to vote in my area which makes me really sad. I am still hopeful and my Obama sign is still right there in my front yard but I guess we all knew it was only going to get harder as time progresses.

  13. Hilary has officially made me angry. She is no longer running for president for the people of the united states, she is now running on some personal vendetta. The only way Clinton can win at this point is by a miracle. Even if she won ALL of the remaining primaries by 65% she still would not catch up to Obama. She has to win 70-80% of the remaining undecided superdelegates!

    She knows she is backed into a corner, but refuses to let it go for the good of the party. It has become ridiculous and i am so tired of it. There’s no way she can win, and by remaining in the race, she is hurting everyone. If McCain ends up winning this race in the long run, it will be because he watched the Dems self-destruct and just sat back to let the votes come pouring in.

    Don’t get me started on that last debate.

  14. I’ve never heard Obama ‘whine’ about anything that the Clintons have thrown at him. I’m disgusted with the Clinton’s tactics too. Hillary’s job IS to convince you she’s the best candidate but the invoking of Farrakhan and calling Rev. wright ‘hate speech’ is pandering to scared white voters. If she’d run on HER record as NY Senator instead of her husband’s accomplishments, I might have listened to her. But for her to take credit for whatever good Bill did then say she was against NAFTA, was disengeuous. She’s making sure if she doesn’t get the nomination, NO Dem will be in the White House. And sorry, as bad as McCain is, he’ll be president before she is!

  15. edessedesigns says:

    Shazza, clearly we disagree on the “whine” factor. And we are both entitled to our opinion in that regard. Hillary is doing what she is supposed to do–prove that she is the better candidate. Obama does not answer her with solid responses. Sure, he can give an uplifting speech which, in the grand scheme of things, is much much ado about very little.

    Although I am not a Hillary supporter, I will say this, she has been much more concrete than Obama has. He is convincing us that he is the better candidate on very little. What I can see from Hillary is that she is a fighter and she answers a question with solid answers. Obama needs to realize that he can’t float above it all when he gets the democratic nod. Do you think the campaign will be any less “dirty” then? He will have A LOT more to answer to and his “inexperience” will come under attack as well. If he answers her low blows with solid kicks, we can see more of who he is and he needs to show more of that to the blue collar voters. Also, it will better prepare him for the general.

  16. LBellatrix says:

    Sadly, I agree with Jenene. Obama needs to take the gloves off a little more but he needs to do it in a way that doesn’t backfire on him.

    I will vote in November because I feel it’s my duty to do so. I owe it to my ancestors…I guess I’m old-school like that.

    As much as I would like this election to not be the latest in a long line of “lesser of two evils” elections, if HRC does become the Dem nominee, I’ll hold my nose and vote for her.

  17. Amen to Danielle J. 1+1 will ALWAYS equal 2!

    As a New Yorker, I personally feel quite a bit of anger towards Mrs. Clinton and the campaign she has run to date. When the Republicans went at her in a very nasty way when she was first running for Senate, she did not stoop to their level (to my recollection). I voted for her then, not only because she was the democratic candidate, but because I thought she was a woman who held herself to a higher standard.

    I decided to vote for Obama in the NY Primary because I had grown tired of the comments that former President Clinton had been making about the Obama Campaign. I did not feel that any decision that she would make would be her decision alone. And while I don’t have anything negative to say about the 8 years Bill spent in office, he HAD his time.

    I am sad to say that I now see Mrs. Clinton for who she refuses to see herself as: a woman who believes in politics as usual. It was solidified in my mind after that “debate” on ABC.

    I still believe that Mr. Obama will be the Democratic Candidate. However, I can admit that I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic Candidate, because I don’t want to see McCain in office.

  18. Hillary (and Bill for that matter) have really disgusted me during this primary season. Last year, I too drank the kool-aid and was a Hillary supporteR.. I live in NY and she’s my senator. It wasn’t that I felt she had more experience (BEING FIRST LADY AND A GOVERNORS WIFE DOES NOT TRUMP STATE ELECTED OFFICES… SORRY), it was that I just didn’t think white folks could get behind a black candidate. I am ashamed to say that I wanted a descendant of US slaves to be the first black president. But, after Iowa I started to believe in Obama.

    While a lot of us prospered under the Clinton administration, Hillary’s administration is NOT Bill’s. Don’t get it twisted people, Bill was better thaN George I, but a lot of programs he insituted hurt minorities and blackS in particular. I firmly believe in my heart that it is time for this country to go in a completely different direction.

    I like that Obama hasn’t been nasty throughout this campaign, but Hillary threw much salt at him in the last six weeks. In essence, she scared the white voters away from him. Very Karl Rove, Hillary… VERY. It is time for the O-man to dust his shoulders off (again) and GO HARD OR GO HOME.

  19. I’m sitting at my desk and I could just cry its painful and very personal.
    Thank you Bella for keeping us informed.

  20. This whole election process has completely turned me off. I’m all for Obama and in my opinion he seems to be the better person. It’s unfortunate b/c I really had a lot of respect for Mrs. Clinton until the primaries began and she started showing her true colors. I started out being a neutral party b/c I favored both candidates. But Hillary has quickly changed my mind about that.

  21. Last night, I watched Nightline where they spoke about this New York Times editorial (quoted the same section as you, Afrobella) Mind you, NYT endorsed HRC editorially a couple of months ago. Hillary’s communication manager had the AUDACITY of HOPE to say that it is obvious that people are not tired of this type of campaigning because “the votes show it” . He went on to say that her campaigning has helped her not harmed her. Ugh! This just goes to show that as much as we hope the political climate will change and focus on the REAL issues, not who people know or implied character assasinations, people like HRC’s communications manager will continue to dictate to us what it is we want because the “votes” show it. People need to be more vocal about not settling for the status quo in polictics and let more than the votes speak for us.

  22. Hey Bella et al,

    I do not think he is down nor defeated. Even though he did not win Pennsylvania (which was not a shocker to anyone), he still acquired more delegates. (The press has failed to let the voters know that Barack won the Texas primary and caucus after all!!)

    HRC is thinking, “who the heck does Obama think he is, getting all up in my mix.” She feels that she is heir apparent to the White House, but the people have said NOOOO!! Her tactics are despicable, which turned me off from her, especially when she decided to leave her name on the Michigan ballot.

    One of her supporters (a white woman who was 60 plenty) called into a talk show that I listen to and said that basically the presidential race wasn’t Black vs. White, but male vs. female. Saying how women make less than men and needed to break the glass ceiling. The host (a white female) stated that Black men tend to make less than women, especially a white women. The supporter became frustrated because everything she said was being debunked.

    I hate to go there, if Barack was white with the same platform, personality, charisma, organizational skills, everything, he would have wrapped up this nomination already. I think HRC has been, somewhat, successful in scaring poor and working class white voters. Even Jon Stewart joked and asked Barack if he would do a switcheroo and enslave the white race in America. How silly is that, that act would set Black ppl back for 600 years.

    Anyhoo, I want to dedicate Kenny Roger’s “The Gambler” chorus to HRC.
    “You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em,
    Know when to walk away and know when to run.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0 (The math is not adding up for HRC) I do not like how she is perpetuating the stereotype that women are not good at math.

  23. Styleis20/20 says:

    Right On Point My Sisters! I have at times mumbled that I won’t vote! Because of the lack of issues being addressed thorough out the past few months. Thou I want to be part of the process and lend my voice to the movement of change.

    I feel my candidate(Obama) is trying ‘his’ best not to come out swinging to be coined the angry black guy running for president. He has the momentum to win this thing and I want to be on his side till the end of this race.

    I just want some one to start to talk about the Freaking ISSUES… Rising Food Prices World Wide (Bananas Went up 17% from last year this time, Milk 23.4 %(?)), Gas (Oil), Health Care, Education, and this War in Iraq that they started ( it will never end).

    I want to hear about what you can do for my children and their children. Not who you once partied with back in the day…….

  24. Although I am not a Hillary supporter, I will say this, she has been much more concrete than Obama has.

    This is the type of statement that really upsets me because it is NOT true.

    Barack Obama has indeed been concrete. In fact, he was so concrete at the start of the race, he was criticized for being “too wonky” and too “professorial” when he spoke about his concrete proposals.

    By the way, his concrete proposals are available on his website and if we can surf the internet for hair tips or shop online, we can take a few minutes to read the concrete, wonky proposals of every candidate in the race. Here is the link for Obama in areas including the economy, education and family issues (ex. he is proposing a Fatherhood initiative). http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

    No matter what any candidate says, any intelligent will do their homework and research each candidate, through their websites as well as pro and con articles. If you prefer Clinton, just say that you prefer her proposals but to say that Obama has not given any concrete proposals is disengenous – or the result of little or no research.

  25. NotUrAvg says:

    I was so disgusted last night and even moreso when I got to work and heard my co-workers discussing the primary (I am the only black women in a group of 5, middle-aged white women in Indiana–nuff said). I try not to be angry, to succumb to the ignorance and hidden racism (they don’t even realize that they are) but it becomes so difficult after results like last nights. I cannot believe that there are so many people in this country who would be willing to let Hillary have the nomination after the pettiness, backhandness and straight-out lying that she’s done during this primary season. And so many more have pledged to vote for McCain or stay at home if she does not get the election. I know there are few Obama diehards who have threatened the same, but there are far more reasonable voters in his camp who would suck it up and vote for Billary before letting another republican reign in “terror”– I am one of them. Unfortunately, I agree that Barack is going to have to address Hillary’s attacks concisely and with authority. He is going to have to give answers to her probes and cut her off with a ,”I answered the question…let’s get on with the issues.” He is going to have to be “daddy” and say, “ya damn right I am” to all those people who question if he is tough! His reserved demeanor is what I have admired about him, but I want him to put so “bass” in his approach. Let them know you mean business Barack! Obama ’08

  26. I feel my candidate(Obama) is trying ‘his’ best not to come out swinging to be coined the angry black guy running for president.

    DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!!!!

    We can not underestimate the importance of Obama being smeared as the “angry black guy”. He must always come off as the “gentleman” – even if it looks like he is not fighting enough. He IS fighting. He is just using the quiet methods that many professional black men have employed for generations for the sake of advancement and survival.

    An interesting article by a white woman talking about her 82-year-old mother thinking of Obama as a “gentlemen” – http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/my-82-year-old-mothers-debate.php

    Also, an interesting comment by a regular commenter named “b-serious” on Jack and Jill Politics caught my attention. Imagine if the Obama and Clinton roles were reversed:

    Switch the roles. Imagine this. . .

    Hillary Clinton just won 11 straight states by an AVERAGE of 33%. She’s outraised her opponent 2 to 1. She’s galvanized the electorate. She played by the rules, ran a relatively clean campaign and has created an insurmountable lead. She is poised to be the Democratic nominee.

    Only one small problem. Some guy named Barack Obama just won’t get out of the way.

    This guy, Barack, has no mathematical path to the nomination. Yet he holds his share of the Democratic Party hostage in some twisted attempt to extort a nomination that he hasn’t earned.

    This guy, Obama, is routinely allowed to make his own rules. He changes the goal posts every chance he gets. Yet, surprisingly, he holds Hillary to unrealistic standards that he, himself, could never reach.

    He’s so despised by half the country that he doesn’t waste time trying to make a positive claim for his own candidacy. Instead he spends the majority of his time trying to raise Hillary’s negatives. He talks about every Clinton scandal that ever happened. When asked if he thinks Hillary killed Vince Foster, he replies, “Of course not. . . AS FAR AS I KNOW.”

    His campaign is in constant disarray. He’s already fired three major campaign strategists. He’s in debt with a poor reputation for failing to pay outstanding bills – yet he somehow has the audicity to claim that he’s ready on day one.

    He knows he can’t win, so he sends his surrogates out to do his dirty work.

    He spreads the idea that Hillary is only where she is because she’s a woman; and that any vote she gets is because of (a.) male guilt or (b.) because the country is just too racist to give him a fair shot.

    When asked whether or not his acts damage the party he just grins and tells Hillary to toughen up. “If she can’t take the heat, she should get out of the kitchen. After all, polls show most men won’t vote for a woman, anyway.”

    He dismisses every victory she’s ever had. He mocks her message. And he ridicules her supporters as needy, victim-card carrying, enablers with a diva complex.

    Amazingly, however, he makes time to compliment the Republican nominee at her expense and proceeds to join forces with the RNC and Fox News to parrot every negative right-wing smear associated with her campaign. When he’s challenged on it, he shrugs his shoulders and says, “Well the Republicans were gonna say it anyways.”

    Are you tellin’ me that Hillary’s supporters would just smile, kiss and make up after all of this. Give me a break.

    I have NO loyalty to the Clintons. And, since her latest “let’s nuke Iran” comments from last weeks debate, I’m convinced that she’s just as much a hawk as McCain. No thank you. If I wanted a Republican, I’d vote for one.

  27. auragirl says:

    Bella, I am coming out of a great sadness from yesterday’s results. It ain’t over!!!! Obama will be fighting HARD in Indiana, and his pretty much certain win in NC will eliminate any gains she received from PA. She may have a new wind in her back from yesterday, but to be honest everyone knew Obama would lose PA. I just hope he lost it by 5 instead of 10, but whatev. Don’t worry…Let’s DO THIS!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA FOR THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. auragirl says:

    Nichelle, that sounds absolutely CRAZY when you flip the roles. Definitely something to think about…and I agree, this would have been LONG OVER if Obama was white. Sad, yet true. I’m hoping he will be able to fight back without getting dirty. He CANNOT afford to be negative, because Clinton is expert at that and he can’t beat her at her own game. Plus, part of his appeal is changing politics. *sigh* I hope this ends SOON with Obama as the nominee…here’s to a double victory on May 6th!

  29. I blame the media (including bloggers, not this one) for the negative tone that has come to be associated with this Democratic presidential race. Comments by candidates have been taken out of context and played over and over in people’s minds to inflame passions, to woo readers, and to make the party seem hopelessly divided.

    As campaigns go, this is not the nastiest or scuzziest. Nasty comes in the Fall when Republicans show everyone what nasty really is. Supporters of Barack take exception to anything Clinton says uncomplimentary about Obama and sees some larger conspiracy behind it all. Supporters of Clinton are stunned that no one seems to be bothered by the openly antiwoman/misogynistic comments her detractors get away with.

    The Democratic party loses in November because we’ve been played by those who knew that blacks and women would rather lose the whole race than get behind the candidate that beat out their candidate.

  30. I’m here to tell you, this has got to be the worst case of campaigning on both sides…every day there’s fingerpointing, name calling, telling people who they should not have as campaign partners, friends, business associates, ministers etc. But in the end I realize that this is politics.

    But I will say this, I am also from NY and to see how the Clintons have done an about face toward African Americans is interesting, I’m sure we did not see this coming.

    Every day we are bombarded with new bulls**t instead of getting more information on how both candidates view education (the BIGGEST problem IMO with this country), the economy, defense and social services. You only get snippets and bits and pieces. During the debates I get irritated because you have to go through at least 45 mintues worth of crap questions followed by 10 mintues of more crap and 5 minutes of the real issues that need to be discussed.

    I keep my political views to MYSELF, but I want Mr. Obama simply because I think it is time for change. He’s promising, I believe him. Cut and Paste, simple as that. I do not expect a miracle, that things will change overnight, if at all. Again, it’s politics. BUT, Obama IMO needs to gather his advisors, let Hiliary dig her hole and keep it moving. I have news for everyone, it’s going to get worse as we get closer to November.

    I know one thing, if the tatics of the Clintons along with the media change this thing to the point that Hilary runs against McCain, I personally will stay home and not vote. That bothers me…too many of our people have died for my right to vote; however I’ll be dammed if I give her the vote for the sake of the democratic party, especially after witnessing the tatics she has been pulling during this campaign.

    That’s all I’ve got to say about this…

  31. sorry for typos, typing too fast and hit send before checking spelling!

  32. I agree with 99 percent of everything that was said, and after feeling depressed about the Philadelphia primary results ( even though i had known that an obama win was unlikely) I am feeling a lot better reading your comments. Afrobella, i know this is a beauty blog but i APPLAUD you for your political commentary. I look forward to it just as much as I do your product reviews.

    Hillary is running a desperate campaign. She is putting her own ambitions and arrogance and bewildering sense of entitlement above the Democratic party and its DISGUSTING to me that the democratic party elders are so SHOOK by her and her political power that they are standing by impotently and doing nothing.

    The tone of her campaign is unfortunate and unappealing to me, and its making me lose the respect i had for her and her husband.

  33. flygyrl72 says:

    Has anyone read the piece Michael Moore put up on his website? Check it out, because he hits the nail on the head.

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

    Hillary & Bill have done nothing but fan the flames of fear in the hearts of white people in order to gain votes. At this point, that’s the only thing she has got going for her. “Hey White America!!! He’s Black w/ a funny name! You can’t trust him!” Ridiculous.

    She knows that on every other topic, he fades her. So, instead, she wants to make a lot of noise about stuff that really doesn’t matter, smoke & mirrors & underhanded attacks. And play on people’s prejudices, fear, etc…

    All the while, glossing over the fact that she is a proven liar! She lied about coming in under sniper fire! More than once! That is HUGE! And we ain’t heard nothing else about it since! That is how good it is to be White in America! Because if Obama had of gotten caught in a lie that huge, he’d be done! Done!

    Until a couple of weeks ago, Mark Penn, her chief political advisor, was on the payroll of the Columbian gov’t to lobby for a free trade deal w/ Columbia that would probably result in more Americans being out of work…Let’s see -her Chief Strategist suggests coming out strong in Ohio and PA against NAFTA, while at the same time, he lobbies for Columbia?! And PA Unions still support HRC??? Because you can’t tell me that she didn’t already know that this guy was dealing with them. Even now, this guy isn’t really off her payroll, he still has access to her campaign & continues to provide polling & advice to her. So how in the hell are these working class people, many of whom lost their jobs after NAFTA, overlooking so much evidence that this woman doesn’t have the interests of working class folks in her main interests at all?…Again, I can’t stress enough how good it is to be White in this country.

    She lies about her experience. Barack actually has more years of being in public office than she does (yet she continuously lies about having more experience in being in public office. Granted, being married to the President would offer one certain opportunities & experiences, but still, it’s hollow experience, nothing of substance. The world has changed a lot since Bill was in office, you got regimes in power now that didn’t even exist when she was living in the White House, so her “experience” means nothing.

    She voted for the war (and has yet to really apologize for her misjudgment), while he was one of the only politicians w/ the foresight to speak out against the war from jump, and this was right after 9/11, when anything you said that wasn’t in support of this occupation, was deemed as “un-patriotic”.

    Obama has the wisdom & foresight to make the best decisions for the way this country needs to go forward. Whether you like it or not, he is the future of the Democratic party. Hilary, best case scenario, will just be more of the same. She’s just saying whatever she has to say to win. Hell, it’s not even original, she took it all from John Edwards. Seriously, she did. Almost word for word.

    It’s amazing that this woman is winning anything at all, with all the lies she’s telling. But she’s selling a lot bs, excellent snake oil salesman.

    NOTE TO EDESSEDESIGNS: HRC is the one who is just using words, not Obama. She’s concrete in her lying, that’s about all she’s consistent on.
    People are just ignoring the facts on this woman & relying on sensational sound bites from the news. Edesse, actually take a minute & look it up for yourself. It’s all there, in black in white, on many news sites. Please be informed before you make these types of statements.

    On what has she been concrete about?! This woman has gotten caught in so many gaffes, it’s insane to believe she still has any credibility left. She can’t even effectively run her campaian, now the hell she gonna run a country?!

    What you see as her being “fighter”, is really just a prolonged temper tantrum combined with sore loser syndrome. She won’t back down, because the Clintons have a huge sense of entitlement about this election, & before Barack came along, Billary thought that this was gonna be all sewn up. So really it’s more like “If I can’t have this, you can’t either”.

    Remember, we all have to be informed, & also, we have a duty to demand clarity & accountability from not just the candidates re: any statements & actions they may make, but also the media & their coverage & portrayals of the facts.

    That’s my rant for the day. Ya’ll got me all fired up.

    Peace!

  34. flygyrl72 says:
  35. NELLIDAD1 says:

    I LOVE HILARY!! For all of you haters out there I speak for all women out there trying to something for a change!! Im a hispanic professional women that sees the need for women equality. Have you seen the news lately not all women have the same right as us. I think we as American Women take these rights for granted. I want my little girl to one day feel she can be anything she wants to be when she grows up despite her race, ethnicity or GENDER!!

    GO HILARY!!! I HOPE YOU DO WIN

  36. edessedesigns says:

    Flygirl72: Hillary is more concrete–especially when it comes to what she plans to do about the economy, this is an issue I am most worried about as I am an economist by training and see the train wreck we are headed towards. I happened to see Hillary live and she answered ALL questions with such detail. I was very impressed.

    I happened to see Obama in person as well and actually got to here him respond to questions about the economy. His response…a change is coming. So, from those two events alone, I am able to make a very informed opinion–probably much more informed than yours.

    The moral of the story: You don’t know me, you don’t know anything about me thus your judgements of me are inaccurate. I don’t just say things to say them. I speak from experience only.

    What I see in Hillary is a fighter. What she is going through right now reminds me so much of my time in graduate school when I was beat down, dragged about, misunderstood, and overlooked simply because I was a black woman studying to get her PhD in economics. As much as Obama is fighting racism, Hillary is fighting it too, along with sexism.

    I’m not saying she is perfect. She is far from that. But I call it like I see it and give props to her for not giving in even though everyone around you hates the ground you walk on. I’ve walked that walk and I know how hard it is, her strength is something that I admire.

  37. edessedesigns says:

    I meant “hear him” sorry about the typo and many others that will probably follow!

  38. flygyrl72 says:

    EDESSE & NELLIDAD1, ya’ll need to wake up. Please. She is a liar & a sore loser.

    Although I consider myself to be somewhat of a feminist & would love to see a female president & do agree that that would be a great thing for our daughters & young women to see, Barack is the better choice.

    The way Hilary has behaved is disgraceful and you know, it’s going to change her whole legacy & how her & Bill Clinton will be perceived going forward. Seriously, they’ve really ruined a lot of goodwill people had towards them. Especially in the Black community, because even when the insults haven’t been uttered directly, we get it. As a people, we recognize the tone.

    They’ve done everything but come out & directly call him & Michelle “uppity Negroes”, because that’s all they try to imply, with their claims that he can’t connect w/ working class people, etc. It’s ludicrous! He has as much in common with the working class as they do! They’re both Ivy League & they’re both wealthy! And there she was in PA, doing shots & chugging beer & talking about going hunting, like she can really relate to that. Hilarious.

    Her whole momentum has been built on lies & fear, like I said, she hasn’t, in all this time, been able to establish her own voice w/o trying to break him down. Know why? Because she can’t! She just cannot hold a candle to him. If she was that sound on policy fundamentals (which they’re pretty similar on anyway), she wouldn’t be resorting to the scare tactics that she’s using. And with all her political clout, she actually should be slaying him right now if she was even half the candidate that he is.

    When, WHEN, has a candidate ever been criticized or derided before for being eloquent in his speeches?! Has that ever happened before?! You know you have nothing when you’re stooping to insulting the fact that your opponent speaks well. That’s insulting in itself.

    And EDESSE, how is it that you can draw a parallel between you & this woman?! That is quite a stretch. Wow! You can equate your struggling thru grad school to this multi-millionaire White woman/former First Lady/married to Bill Clinton presidential candidate?! You feel sorry for her? You think she needs your sympathy?! C’mon now. She has a checkered political past & now she has to answer the tough questions, how does that make her “beat down”? And even if you do feel sorry for her, that doesn’t mean she’s the better candidate.

    Like I said before, do your homework, you’ll see how they stack up, side by side. At best, she’s old school politics, and if you vote for her, you’ll get more of the same crap, that’s a promise. We need a change. This country needs to go in a new direction, & quickly. And Barack is our best hope for any chance of that.

    As any strong minded assertive woman knows, being not liked often comes with the territory. Granted, I’ve even flinched sometimes when I hear her referred to as a “nutcracker” or other similar terms. But most of us that have been unfairly branded & dismissed with the “bitch” label, know that our brilliance & excellence will shine thru & speak for itself & in turn, silence our detractors, we don’t have to drag others down in the gutter the way this woman & her campaign are trying to do. She is banking on the fear of White people & the fear people have of the unknown. It’s disgusting.

    And it’s amazing to me that you, as a Black woman, not only empathize with her, but would admire the way this woman has used race as a scare tactic, in order to gain votes. She’s used his Blackness as a way to scare the lower class White voter, cause she knows how they think. How do you justify that? Do you really respect that?! Her using this man’s race as a detriment?!

    And FYI, I’ve had the pleasure of having worked as a volunteer coordinator for Sen. Obama in Chicago, during his US Senate run, as well as having worked with him on issues while I was a community organizer in Chicago (where I’m from) & he was a state senator. I also have two close friends who studied under him at U of C Law School. So what I say about him, I know from real life experiences. I know of what I speak also, better than most actually.

    Recently, up until Super Tuesday, I was heavily involved as a volunteer w/ his campaign out here in LA & on the West Coast, where I have also interacted with the man personally. He is impressive, to put it mildly. Impeccable is the word that comes to mind. I have seen him in front of people, when he’s “on” & in his more low-key moments, with friends,colleagues, family, etc. This dude is so smart, so intelligent, so quick, it would make your head spin. And most times, he’s dead on. Doesn’t miss a beat.

    He may not be perfect, but he is, at the core, a decent man. That’s one of the reasons he hasn’t resorted to stooping as low as his opponent has in all of this. He just knows to let the ish speak for itself & that the cream always rises to the top. To keep the focus on the real issues & not the bs.

    I’ve been to a couple of Senator Clinton’s appearances here in LA and she was fine. I didn’t have a problem with her. I’m also sure that if I met Sen. McCain in person at an appearance or fundraiser, I wouldn’t be personally offended either. Those are public appearances, intended to appeal to potential voters, so of course, any politician is going to put their best face forward. It’s when the adversity comes, that we see what people are really made of. And she has shown us what she does/will do when things aren’t going her way or if she does get that 3am call. She’ll freak out! She’ll be nasty & act ugly/or get hysterical. She has already cried in New Hampshire, over an not all that emotional question, so you know, I really don’t EVER want to have her answering the phone at 3am. She’s a crybaby. What would she do, besides hand the phone to Bill? She’s the whiner, not Barack.

    So you can continue to ignore the facts & support this woman who has done everything she coyly can to point out to people that Barack is Black & as such, won’t be electable or that he can’t be trusted because of his Muslim name. Or you can scratch beneath the surface & see who’s really the candidate with more substance & strength of character, & also who possesses the courage & wisdom to see it through.

  39. i just hope when nov rolls thru, allyuh get your minds right!!

    i love obama, i think he’s a great guy and should go all the way; but shoot im more interested in dems gettin in power than who is the dem candidate.
    some of his supporters are getting so polarized its either him or the highway. ppl ppl ppl !! its soooo much more important to have a democratic gov in power at this time. if hilary is the one up, then lets find a way to take down mc.cain. look more at the policies ppl. both hilary and obama have similar policies. ,
    dont get tied up in this mess. the more i read the more i hear about obama supporters either going to mc.cain or stayin home in nov if hilary is up. and thats exactly what the republican party wants!! geez

  40. Female president is nothing to be that crazy about, ok, a woman, so what? She is not a leader, she is a manager and has no charisma for me. None at all. Obama on the other hand is someone who can grow politically, because he can unite people together – she can’t. Its either in you or not. I wish I was an American so that I could vote for him! :) This man tackles issues that have been on my mind so much and are hard to discuss with others, and I know he can win if he convinces certain people that they can count on him.

  41. flygyrl72 says:

    Che, exactly which polarizing Barack supporters are you referring to?

    Every poll has Clinton supporters as the ones who are hard-core & who are saying they’ll stay home in the case Barack is the Democratic nominee in November. Especially now that they’ve been stoked up by her hate mongering, muck raking campaign. While each side has folks saying that, most Barack people have said that they’ll begrudgingly give her the vote if she gets the nod.

    Also, we currently have a Democratic majority in the House & the Senate, & they’ve still let this President & his cronies do whatever they damn well please. They’ve failed to step up the pressure on Bush to end this war and they haven’t even discussed impeaching Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Condoleeza, which is what should be happening, those guys are criminals.

    So yes, we want a Democrat president, but it is still VERY VERY crucial that the RIGHT Democrat be in office come 2009.

  42. Ms. Independent says:

    I was just thinking about the absolute pettiness of this whole campaign season and how some of our white counterparts would rather wallow in ignorance/fear than face the reality of this nation. They have always had a talent for ignoring what is inconvenient, but I am certain that in the world’s current climate their luck will run out.

    Thus far, the media has acted as a blanket of protection for the tender. Just a quick example, notice Hillary’s sniper fire comments are always mentioned along side the “Rev. Wright controversy” like so: “We don’t want to hear about Rev. Wright or sniper fire, let’s get to the issues….” HOWEVER, this is followed by a panel discussion on Rev. Wright and no further mention of anything Hillary has ever said or done that could count against her.

    The veils are thin.

  43. nellidad1 says:

    To Katia:
    A female president is nothing to go crazy about, are you serious!!!!! Take one good look at the news and see what’s happening around the world besides the U.S., Women around the world don’t have the same opportunities as us. And Even so, When I got to work as an Engineer besides being hispanic, MEN still look at me because I’m a female. Do you you know how that feels? Despite my high performance at I’m still judged because of my gender. \
    I HOPE HILARY DOES WIN!!

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