When is a “Silkener” Not a “Silkener?”

I got an e mail from a reader recently, regarding Miss Jessie’s Stretch Silkening Creme.

How is this not PERM or TEXTURIZER (perm by another name)?!?”

I see where the reader could think that — after my interview with Titi Branch of Miss Jessie’s, wherein she explained what the controversial “silkener” treatment was (sodium hydroxide, AKA lye) — I know quite a few diehard natural bellas who hadn’t yet tried the products, were more than a little skeptical.

I appreciate Titi’s honesty, but I understand where customers are coming from — if you declare yourself to be a natural woman, chemical free, it can be disappointing to realize that the styles you’ve been admiring on bellas you percieved to be all-natural as well, aren’t achieved by all-natural means.

I have two bits of news about Miss Jessie’s Stretch Silkening Creme.

1 — it is NOT a chemical treatment, it is NOT the silkening treatment that the Branch sisters offer at their salon. This is a styling product.

2 — what it is, is a new hair creme that I’d say can best be described as hair souffle/curly pudding-esque.

Stretch Silkening Creme is described on the Miss Jessie’s site as: “Miko’s favorite. Introducing Stretch Silkening Crème, an amazing addition to our ever expanding curl crème empire. “How’s it different from the rest?” I’ll tell you. Stretch Silkening Crème is a quicker to dry whipped soufflé that delivers an amazing plump curl and a brilliant shine. Fabulous for fingerstyling. The lightest of the curl crème bunch.”

I have been trying the product out for over a month now, and it might be Miko’s favorite, but it isn’t exactly mine. Here’s why.

It’s a texture thing.

I like my hair to be shiny, bouncy, full of life and fun all over. Shrinkage doesn’t bother me, as long as my curls are fluffy, moisturized, and defined. I like a product that just works when I’m on the run – I am a wash n’ go kind of girl. I don’t currently own an overhead dryer (but I want one so much! I want this one!). I need a no-fuss product to match my no-fuss lifestyle. And I LOVE Miss Jessie’s — I swear by Curly Meringue and Buttercreme to weigh down my curls while giving me that definition I crave, and moisture I need. So I wanted to be blown away by the results from the Stretch Silkening Creme. And… I wasn’t exactly.

Let me explain with a photo.

Here’s the back of my hair after using Stretch Silkening Creme and following the recommended method.

Applied when my hair was wet, straight out of the shower. Let it air dry, and stretched my curls down with my hands (I honestly don’t even know if I still own a hair dryer). Because of the schizophrenic kinks of my hair, the top of my hair tends to be frizzy, sproingy, and undefined. The back is very defined, very spirally, and tends to shrink quite a bit. My experience with Miss Jessie’s Stretch Silkening Creme is, it’s not a match for my unruliest curls. The back felt too weighed down and limp, and the top… well you can see for yourself. Frizzy and out of order as always. Not stretched or “silkened.”

Perhaps that’s because the creme is too light of a moisturizer for me — as this great Long Hair Care Forms post indicates — “If you are looking or expecting this product to provide extreme “silkening” or “texturizing” like results, it won’t and I suggest you don’t spend the money. But if you are looking for a product that will eliminate frizz, provide definition and allow you to keep volume, softness and fullness, give it a shot.”

I think my hair’s a little too “own-way” to behave with this product. Or maybe I came to Stretch Silkening Creme with expectations based on the name. Either way, I’d say it probably would be best for a bella with a looser curl pattern, who just needs moisture and shine to tame their frizzies. For me, a bella whose hair seems to have several different personalities — heavier products with not a lot of hold work better for a uniform look. I’m back to my Meringue.

But bellas – the wonderful thing about Miss Jessie’s now, is they’re making different kinds of products for curly girlies — for example Quick Curls is meant mostly for caucasian and Latina bellas — and they also now offer their products in a variety of sizes. And the small sizes work GREAT for travel. So if you’re wondering which would be best for your crown, I’d say spring for the 2 oz jars, they’re $7 a pop, plus shipping. The Value Pack gives you little 2 oz samples of everything. If you’re a bella who’s on the go, you can’t really go wrong!

Have you tried Stretch Silkening Creme? What do you think? Do you have a favorite Miss Jessie’s product?

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Comments

  1. Thank you so much for posting. I am interested in their line and I tried the pudding once. I did like it but they only make the unscented in a small size whereas the scented one comes in a larger size and gives me a headache. I might consider trying it out. My hair has is schizo too. KINKY/CURLY on the right side, STRAIGHTish/Curly on the left, curly in the back, kitchen on the top. I’m training it though. :)

  2. I can see how people could easily confuse the ‘silkening’ method vs the creme. I remember a while back I went in for a consultation and was a bit disappointed when I discovered their ‘process’ wasn’t all natural. So instead I settled on buying the Meringue, which works well on my hair as well. I’m also glad they offer trial sizes now, b/c I try to keep my hair products within a reasonable price range! Maybe I’ll give this one a try as well, but from the looks of your curl pattern, which is similiar to mine, I’d probably get the same results.

  3. I like the Curly Meringue and The Buttercreame.. the others are too heavy for me and leave my hair feeling sticky and heavy.. In order to find the one I liked best I bought the travel pack and tried them all..

  4. Thanks for this post, Bella!

    I’ve been thinking about giving Miss Jessie’s another try. (People ranting and raving about these products really make me want them to work for me). I think I will give this line a try once they have their annual sale.

    Great post!

  5. UnalteredBeauty says:

    Honestly, I just get the feeling that Miss Jessie’s products are for biracial and/or curly haired women. Once again, where does that leave us NappyHeadedBellas? I want a product that’s going to moisturize my hair without trying to alter it to a curly texture. To me, being natural means fully embracing your hair texture and not trying to alter it to a new pattern. Since when does curly hair represent all black women’s natural hair? I feel like this natural hair movement in the black community is placing curly natural hair on a pedastal to nappy natural hair.

    Afrobella, do you know of any great products for kinky/nappy hair?

  6. I agree with Unaltered Beauty that I would like to see products for coarser hair types, but I don’t feel like curls are being put on a pedestal. When Miss Jessie’s products go on sale, I’ll give them a try.

  7. interesting. i will be purchasing the sample pack. but i will also be throwing away the silkening creme. it took me 9 months to grow out my hair after i cut the perm off, and this silkening creme just doesnt apeal to me.

    actually, i wont buy the sample pack. which product is good for moisturizing dry curly hair? and styling as well.

    also, what about MIXED CHICKS products? anyone tried those? do they work?

  8. I have tried the curly pudding and the buttercream as well as the meringue. The meringue wins (at least for me)hands down. It moisturizes, defines, stops frizzes from developing. It also gives that “boing” effect, the curls pop and maintain for at least 2 weeks. I like the buttercream for moisturizing during the week. Carol’s daughter hair balm is wonderful too, my hair drinks it up (without greasy feel), for daily moisturinzing maintanence.

  9. I have never used the Stretch Silkening Creme, but I admit that I was curious about it. My hair is extremely thick and teetering on the edge of curly and nappy. I have realized in the past few weeks that there are some products that my hair loves for a few days, and then it begins to hate, so I have to continually switch up. For the past two weeks, I have been doing a co-wash every three days or so and then using some Curl Activator gel and it really made my curlies pop pop pop, however this week, the weather changed slightly and my curlies don’t pop anymore with the activator. SO, now I gotta figure out what cycle my hair is on now. I have a good number of products to choose from when my hair starts acting crazy.

  10. Nice review- very thorough :o)

  11. I have the silkening creme right now ( they finally added another retail location in DC) and I don’t think that it’s that great. I will say tho Bella, using your fingers to “stretch” it will not get you the same effect as using a blow dryer with a nozzel. I used to have a table top dryer and I used the Curly Pudding with it, along with the nozzle dryer and had great results. My absolute favorite is the Rapid Recovery conditioner-it literally has the consistency of butter and you can run your fingers right through your hair!

  12. That is some trippy wallpaper on the walls of the bathroom. Do you think it has it’s appeal, or should it be updated?

  13. I’ve tried all of Miss Jessie’s products. My faves are the Buttercreams, Curly Meringue and the shampoo and deep conditioner.

    As for the Silkening Creme I can best describe it as a lighter version of the Curly Meringue. It’s a great product but it was way to light for my hair. But what I do like is that it drys LOT faster than Miss Jessie’s other products. I like to air dry my hair in the summer. Sometimes when I use the Meringue I can actually see the white product in my hair. So I’m walking around looking as if I have conditioner in my hair. I didn’t have that problem with the Silkening Creme.

    Ladies, don’t forget Miss Jessie’s has their big sale next month!!!!

  14. I diluted the product with water in the shower to make it work on my hair: I have a wave nouveau and I like the curls to look light and “fluffy” so I can’t put too much of it in.

    For Lala:

    I love Mixed Chicks Leave-in Conditioner. (Wasn’t impressed by their other products.) : Check out the videos on Youtube where the owners show you how to apply it. I was applying it the wrong way until I saw her massage it through her way while it was soaking wet. If you let your hair air dry, it really does leave you with defined, boingy curls.

  15. Good to know Miss Jessie’s is having a sale next month. I really did like the scent of the Baby Buttercreme though I had to use it sparingly.

  16. I have been WAITING for this review!! I wonder if this product would “stretch” your curls more if you used different styling methods, like shingling or or the twist-out?

  17. I completely agree with UnalteredBeauty. Its clear that Miss Jessie’s has no clue what to do with the 4B hair type. And that’s cool – many in this industry don’t. However it is misleading to sell a ‘silkening, texturizing’ product that aint. And making a product more “universal” to all hair types just means that it won’t do ISH for the kinky type.

    Expand all you want Miss Jessie’s to other ethnicities. I dare you just once to come up with something that works for 4a/b hair types.

  18. I like the idea of being able to try them all out without spending so much money on those jars… they sell them here in the ATL in a couple of shops and I’ve been hesitant to try them because of the price. But I can spring for the travel size. Thanks for the recommendation!

  19. Cool. I really don’t think they would unleash a chemical treatment upon the world with that sort of packaging anyway.

    But why is it all so expensive??? LOL.

  20. I’m not a big fan of Miss Jessies. I bought the sampler and the only products that worked well on my 4a/b hair was the Baby Buttercreme. But because I’m allergic to the wool alcohol in it I had breakage, so I couldn’t use it for too long.

    LaLa: I have tried the Mixed Chicks Leave-In mixed with Infusium 23 Leave-In and love the results. It really helped to define my coils and left my hair supper soft and non-frizzy.

  21. Natural Hair Product Researcher says:

    I have tried Miss Jessie’s, Kinky Curly, Mixed Chicks, and Curls. Miss Jessie’s I like the curly pudding after a real shampoo, the curl meringue after a quick water spray, the quick curls same with quick water spray, butter creme didn’t love it, emergency product, stretch silkener trying it out now.

    Kinky Curly- I like it, but you have to shampoo every 2-3 days for freshness and it can get sticky.

    Mixed Chicks- didn’t like the shampoo and conditioner, next up to try the leave-in conditioner, heard many folks like it.

    Curls- quencher- meh!

    Oh yea, I have curly hair that is wavy curly in the front, comb fighting in the middle, curly in the back.

  22. I have been using ms jessies for a while now. it works for me; i have thick 4a/b hair & it really helps me manage my lions mane! I use the baby buttercreme & but wish the rapid recovery treatment came in a bigger size.

  23. I bought this a few days ago and don’t feel like it does anything fo me at all.. My hair is very thick/coarse…dry.. it didn’t really make things easier or more manageable… the only thing that works from Miss Jessies for me is the Baby & Curly Buttercreme…. everything else is kind of a dud

  24. Great review Bella!!!!

    I can relate to UnalteredBeauty, all of these “curling custards” and meringues, and puddings overall seem to really just be for those with very loose and defined curl patterns. When I wash my hair and let it dry, there is no apparent curl pattern, and it is very woolly and VERY thick, I can comb it out an it gets tangled minutes later, yet out of all of these natural creams, I have not seen any demos or pics of women with my hair texture, it’s funny, because we with VERY kinky woolly hair still get lost in this whole natural hair care revolution..like the others said, are there creams that actually moisturizes and detangles tight kinky woolly hair patterns????

  25. Sorry, but I think the whole natural movement has been fleeced by women creating products for very specific hair types. Like many of you I have very thick, coarse hair and no definable curl pattern. Most of these products do little to moisturize my hair well or keep it shiny.

    So I went back to basics and use natural oils like jojoba and coconut and aloe vera. I wear my hair in two-strand twists most of the time because I am a busy mom and can’t be bothered with a lot of “styling”.

    I just want everyone to keep your eyes open because many of the women I see in advertising with natural hair underwent a lot of styling (including some chemical alteration) to get the curly look. Unless their hair is twisted then maybe they are 100% natural? Who knows.

    Either way, I jumped off the product train a little while ago. Like anything else it’s a business first. I don’t believe for one second that natural hair product manufacturers are any more “real” or “down to earth” when compared to the relaxer folks.

  26. Does anyone know if the miss jessie’s products work well on transitioning hair?

  27. Great review =)

  28. unaltered beauty, 4b Trini, Huemanity, etcetera – I feel ya. I really do. I do have curlier hair, some parts of it are kinky, but for the most part it tends to be curly. I just got in a big discussion with my mom about this last week (which will be the topic of a future post, trust me). But I do notice that most depictions of natural haired women tends to skew away from dense kinky hair and closer towards curly spirally hair, which defeats the point for some bellas and creates that same atmosphere of exclusion that the natural community has rallied against. You are right, Huemanity – many of the women you see in advertising have likely had a chemical treatment, or are rocking a twist out, or a wig, or a weave.

    The bellas I know with kinkier hair tend to be even more knowledgable than I am about products that work! I know quite a few who make their own products from natural oils, out of necessity. I will work on a special post for you bellas. Promise.

  29. Bella,

    Thank you thank you for your above comment. I am in the same boat as many others of the 4a/b “clan.” So far, I’ve come to love Qhemet Alma and Chagrin Valley Rhassoul Soap on my pen-springs.

    I will also say that some ladies of similar hair type (not necessarily the above posters) are looking for the “holy grail” to make their hair look like a looser curl. Nothing sort of a bona-fide chemical alteration will do that (or maybe a twist-out). Oddly enough, ever since I stopped picking my hair out every day and allowing my coils to just do their own thing, I’ve gotten so many compliments on my hair. For the record, my hair is about 5 inches stretched.

    Hope this helps somebody.

  30. So glad to hear that you’re working on a post for kinkier, coarser hair. I hear that Oyin naturals products cater more to this hair type and get extraordinary reviews for moisturizing and conditioning hair. I haven’t jumped on the bandwagon just yet, but I may try one of their sample packs to see what all the fuss is about. Oh, and their stuff is pretty reasonable in comparison.

  31. Oyin products are UNBEATABLE for 4b/4a hair like mine. Especially Whipped Pudding for moisture and styling, Burnt Sugar for smoothing down the edges of a super afto puff and Honey Hemp wash for no-pooing.

    Miss Jessie’s is okay when I’m up for the challenge (stretching, blow drying, etc.) but Oyin is perfect for on-the-fly twistouts, wash-n-gos, afros, etc.

    I also like Blended Beauty’s Happy Nappy Styles cream for moisture.

  32. Thanks for this. I ]’ve been wanting to try these, but I didn’t want the disappointment of spending a lot and not liking the product. I am gonna try the travel size first see how it works on me and my babyrockstars. Then I’ll make the commitment to something bigger. I appreciate the great review.

  33. My son and were just having this conversation a week ago. His comment was ‘why is it that nobody wants to associated with nappy hair?’ This really bothers me because society has cast this negative image having kinky/coarse hair or darker skin tones. Being in the hair industry for some time now I am just know starting to see where products are starting to change to include kinky/coarse hair. And yes Bella, most of the ladies in the photo are rockin’ a twist-out. Finding the right products sometimes comes from trial and error. I have 5 sisters and each one of us have a different textures ranges from type 3a-4c. It really about finding what works best for your hair to retain MOISTURE. MOISTURE, MOISTURE, is so very important for all hair types especially type 4 hair. One of my sisters have type 4b/4c hair she get so many compliments on hair. Why? Because she found products that work for her and she rocks a twist-out.
    The product that I like best are:
    Elasta QP Mango Butter
    Carol’s Daughter Shampoo with Sea Moss
    Oyin Honey Hemp (All the Oyin Products are good)

    These are a few of my favorite products that I have found to work for me (type 3b/3c/4a). One thing that my sister and I do, if we find a product that works well before they others go out and spend money on it, we give each other a sample to see if we like it.

    Hope this is of some help. :)

  34. Two other great ones to try are Karen’s Body Beautiful (karensbodybeautiful.com products based in Brooklyn, but on the web. And Earth’s Nectar products, which is also on the web and the product line of the shop Natural Resources (naturalresourcessalon.com) based in Houston. And co-sign on Oyin Handmade’s products, love them all.

  35. If you want to try something different for a more kinky texture you can try blendedbeauty.com. They cater the many different hair types. There is a place on their website where you can find the products by hair types and if you are worried about the stuff working they also sell samples so you can try before you by a whole bottle and don’t like it. There is a picture for with kinky hair models and one has a twist out and the other appears to be wearing her hair in way that is in it’s natural form. So that’s one to try if you have no defined curl pattern.

  36. @Dione: I’m always trying new products. So thanks for the Natural Resources site. I looked at it briefly but their site look interesting.

  37. My Buttercreme is about to run out.

    I doubt they ship to Italy and even if they do it will be an arm and a leg. I still haven’t found a hairdresser I like. The next few months will be interesting.

    Aveda and Kiehls are sold here. Any suggestions?

    Bella I am looking forward to your post for those of us you have 4 a/b hair.

  38. I hear a lot about this curls pop business. I don’t have curls I have an afro. And I don’t wanna hear that I have some zig zag curl pattern mess, its a fro. I am 4B. Qhemet actually had some products that made my hair soft I was amazed.
    You go to all the natural sites and you see they use biracial models.
    I swear I didn’t have all this drama when I was kid, I should just go back to the old fashioned hair grease.

  39. the buttercreame !!! I put some on my ends everday , my hair stays hydrated the enire day and it smells so good and I have not had any breakage at all!!!

  40. thanks for breaking down the difference. I have never tried their products but from your photo, you hair looks similar to mine. I will stick with products from Karen’s Body Beautiful- http://www.karensbodybeautiful.com/

    alicia
    http://todaystyle.today.com/

  41. Thanks Bella-

    I just got a travel size Miss Jessie’s pudding in the mail today. And many of these questions were on my mind.

    The biggest though- why so expensive, Miko and Titi? And why, oh why the horrible-allergy inducing scents?

    Afrobella, can you stage a boycott until some of these companies bring down the costs?!

    When I’m feeling cheap, I use olive and coconut oils for awhile, but I keep coming back…

  42. UnalteredBeauty says:

    “But I do notice that most depictions of natural haired women tends to skew away from dense kinky hair and closer towards curly spirally hair, which defeats the point for some bellas and creates that same atmosphere of exclusion that the natural community has rallied against.”
    –Bella

    Bella, you stated it so eloquently that I just had to post it again. With that said, I really appreciate your willingness to help us too. I mean after all, why should we feel like an exception in our own community? More sites like yours should cater to kinky/nappy/coarse hair and not just throw us a bone every now and then. I’m defintely starting to feel just as marganilized in the natural hair world as I felt in the straight hair world.

  43. Thnaks for the great review. It seems that Miss Jessie’s is geared towards achieving a curly look, not about embracing natural hair. The look is gained at all costs, including the use of chemicals. Their products are stylers first and foremeost. The ingredients are designed to achieve a certain look, and aren’t necessarily moisturizing or good for the hair.

  44. UnalteredBeauty says:

    co-sign with Aisha

    Miss Jessie’s products focus on style and looks, not the overall health of natural hair.

  45. I have tried just about every product Miss Jessie’s make, and yes – they are meant to cultivate a curly look. However, I haven’t had an issues with the line affecting the overall health of my hair. The buttercreme has been great for my hair in terms of moisture, and I love the rapid recovery conditioner (don’t love the price, however). For my 4a-b bellas, what are you looking for in a product line? What are your specific concerns when buying a product?

  46. LBellatrix says:

    Bella, let me thank you publicly for making me the winner of one of your previous Miss Jessie’s giveaways! For the record, I liked the Rapid Recovery Treatment a lot. It made my mostly 4b hair very soft and if you’re a type 4 with the cash to spend, I’d definitely recommend it. Sadly, it’s way out of MY price range, but I’m now using the jar to store my homemade replacement (shea butter, cheap conditioner, and coconut oil whipped together) which does the job for a LOT less money.

    Re your question about products: I don’t really have the cash to experiment these days but if I did I’d be looking for products with a minimum number of ingredients and/or mostly natural ingredients. I find myself relying heavily on reviews by other women with my specific hair type. There’s a series of YouTube videos demonstrating Kinky Curly products; at least one of the women has hair similar to mine so again, if I had the cash, I would consider trying the products. And that’s another thing: More of these companies should put demonstration videos on their sites!

  47. Thanks for the review Bella. I’ve been looking for a good review of the Stretch Silkening Cream. I tried the Quick Curls and got decent results from it, but Curly Pudding and Curly Meringue are my favorites and hair staples.

    In my opinion, if you’re looking for moisture, MJ is not the place to look. MJ is all about styling, and if that’s of no interest to you, then move on to the next line of products that provides what you need. I mean if you don’t like the products or don’t agree with their ideology: it’s very simple: don’t buy the products. But there are those of us out there that have naturally curly hair and benefit from Miss Jessie’s products.

    There are lots of products out there that are geared toward kinkier/nappier hair types: http://www.qhemetbiologics.com, http://www.oyinhandmade.com, http://www.anitagrant.com, http://www.carolsdaughter.com, http://www.thejanecartersolution.com and http://www.blendedbeauty.com.

    I guess I can understand people feeling excluded, but there are SO many other natural hair care lines out there that are geared toward all natural hair types. So instead of being hung up on what MJ does or doesn’t offer, put that energy into finding another line that does offer what you’re looking for.

  48. QHEMET BIOLOGICS!!! These products are awesome for 4b hair, they are honestly the best I have tried. They are very moisturizing, all natural, and great for conditioning, protecting and styling.

    Here is what I have tried: Karens body beautiful (Hair milk is pretty good), Oyin (honey hemp conditioner is OK), Curls by SistersSmith (did nothing for me ), Carols Daughter (hair balm is the best for 4b hair), Elasta QP mango butter (just ok), Castor oil (good for after conditioning), and my holy grail-will never give it up QHEMET BIOLOGICS).

    Here is a rundown, and EmpressRi has a great youtube info tutorial. She is on nappturality, she won’t steer you wrong, this girl is a true product junkie!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0c-8cXUMJM

    She has a looser texture than 4a/b, but trust me the stuff is awesome.

    Amla and Olive Heavy Cream-great on dry hair for twists and out styles. Very moisturizing.

    BUrdock ROot Butter Cream-a lighter version of the heavy cream. Defines texture. Can be used on wet or dry hair.

    Amla Pomade-like grease, but better!!

    Olive and honey hair balm-This and the amla and olive heavy cream give the BEST twist outs!

    She offers a sample pack, I HIGHLY recommend it!!

  49. I look for MOISTURE, MOISTURE, MOISTURE!! And I prefer all natural products that are reasonable priced (less than $25 for 16oz of product)

    I have been a fan of a few of myhoneychild.com products. Specifically, the soybuttery cream and the honeyhair creme. I live in Las Vegas and the air is superdry so the glycerin in many of the previously mentioned products are a no-no. I use the SoyCreme for twists and twists outs. The honey cream for moisture. Both are moisturizing but I like the honey creme b/c it’s a lighter. Her products are all natural. She has a lot of products but those are the 2 I would recommend for coarser 4a and 4b hair. I find the categories very confusing at times. I believe I have what is classified as 4a, but its the coarser kind so many of the “napps 2 curls”products don’t work for me. I have tried many “curl” products and after 3 years have given up the quest for definition. I just worry about keeping it moisturized anymore. I also recommend shescentit.com conditioners.

    I like to shop and try new things out so inherently I’m a product junkie. I’ve tried a lot out. There’s something about getting a package in the mail :)

  50. . I am a 4a-4b textured sister. I use Kinky Curly line and have had greet success with it. The shampoo is okay, but the curl definer is nice and the detangle is awesome. I would recommend the detangler to anyone who struggles getting the comb to pass thru their napps and for “tender headed” children.

    I have an Oyin sample pack on the way so I can’t wait for that. I’m going to use it for my twist outs and such

  51. UnalteredBeauty says:

    To answer your question Bella, moisture and products that specifically cater to the 4b hair type. After reading the comments, I think I’m going to give Oyin a try.

  52. flygyrl72 says:

    I definitely agree with Unaltered Beauty, 4b Trini, Huemanity, & all the other 4b folks who’ve chimed in. A big Amen to what hey y’all posted….

    Many times, us with the kinkier hair types are left in a void. The majority of natural hair products do seem to be geared toward those with a more defined/looser or coily/corkscrew curl pattern…

    Personally, Ms. Jessie’s has never appealed to me because immediately upon seeing the creators of the line, I could see that they didn’t have traditionally “kinky/nappy” hair textures, their natural hair has a lot of corkscrew type curl patterns going on. That, on top of the pricing, just never made it an attractive option to me. I knew that they probably wouldn’t “get” the kind of hair issues I had going on or the hair goals that I had in mind…

    My thick nappy afro would just suck that stuff right on up, seriously. I just learned a long time ago to just have my own standards on what my natural should look like & not be chasing that ever elusive perfectly uniform all over my head spiral curl thing, I came to peace with it a long time ago that that isn’t the way my do is gonna turn out w/o me twisting it up constantly, no matter how much Kinky Curly Nappy Butter Glaze Creme I put on it…LOL…

    What I really look for in products is their ability to moisturize & add shine w/o a lot of product build-up. I’m not super sensitive, so I’m a fan of nicely scented stuff too.

    Keep hearing about Oyin, am definitely going to give them a try in the near future…

    Thanks for this post, Bella.

  53. I’ve used the pudding in the sky blue jar (I think it’s the Baby Pudding) and absolutely luved it, UNTIL. I read the ingredients- Paraban.

    I’ve thrown out all products containing paraban, some of which were from Kiehl’s and was so disappointed to learn that what I thought would be a must-have contained questionable ingredients.

    Is it possible for Miss Jessie to remove the paraban and replace with a natural alternative?

  54. Hello All:

    I used miss jessies in my transition. cp good for twist outs but drying and buttercreme very heavy. Meringue was awesome, my coworkers thought that I had a straw set. Many of us do have curly hair texture, so I do not think that it is accurate to assume that “wooly” is the dominant texture. Texture does not matter. People take this stuff too seriously. Curls by sisters smith is awesome – spiral spritz very moisturizing. I got over one week of wear on my wash and go using minimal curly pudding. Curl’s coconut sublime condish is the holy grail, great slip no comb needed to style hair. My hair melted with moisture:)

  55. NaturalBeauty247 says:

    I’ve looked at Miss Jesse’s products, but I am not impressed. Like many above, I am concerned about the over-emphasis on “curl definition.” It is nice if you can do it, because it is another dimension of afro/kinky hair versatility, but to me it shouldn’t be something to strive for at all times or be disappointed if you can’t attain. I think the lure is that alot of us with 3c-4b hair textures realize that in most cases our hair type does consist of tiny curls. That really is the nature of natural hair. What we call napps, for most of us are actually tiny curls. Growing up with a hot comb and grease we probably didn’t realize, but now with more knowledge and better products the tiny curls/coils are realized. So I think many of us are just amazed at what we had all along. But why is being able to claim curls percieved as more special? Some people get hung up on curls, because somehow that is still seen as more “acceptable” than nappy fro hair.

    I have 3 inch, post chop hair that is 3c on top and 4a everywhere else. The 3c hair is obviously curly with no product, the rest looks like ‘fro with tiny coils unless I stretch it with a twistout or something. I can pick my hair out and all of it will appear like a fro, I can do a twist out an all of it will appear curly. I’m just as happy either way. I mix it up often to affirm that I am not curl crazy as some are, but I do try to make the two textures appear as uniform (one way or the other) as possible.

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    Indigofera Beauty Specialist
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  57. Forgive me for the last entry being so short;

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    I encourage you to go to our site and listen to the step by step tutorial by Ms. Channel.

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  58. hurricane1128 says:

    I just finished using Miss Jessie’s new products. I used the shampoo, conditioner and Silkening Stretch creme, then added a little Baby Butter cream when I coiled my hair. I’m with Afrobella on the Stretch Silkening creme. There is nothing silky or stretchy going on with my hair right now. It feels dry, and it’s frizzier than when I used hair rules curly whip along with the baby butter cream or carol’s daughter hair milk. I’m glad I only bought the 2oz of the silkening creme. I might try it again, just to see, but so far I’m not liking the results. As far as the shampoo and conditioner go, they’re not moisturizing enough, especially compared to hair rules or deva-care. The woman where I got the products told me she had the same experience. I’m going to give the shampoo/condish to my little girl. It may work better for her hair. I’ll be sticking with cleansing cream and quench conditioner. I’m disappointed. I love the rapid recovery deep conditiner. oh well. At least I got it on the BOGO sale.

  59. Claudette Norris says:

    HELLLLPPPPP Afrobella sistas! I just happen to run into your interesting website and it sounds fun.

    I’ve been wearing wigs for years and i an too through! But, my hair is so fine and really doesn’t have any natural curl.

    Any suggestions? Any products that give it fullness, body?

  60. Someone posted earlier that there are plenty of websites and products with loads of information. I agree. I have not used MJ’s products because I usually read mixed reviews about her products. I also feel we should not have to spend more than $20 for a good hair product. I would like to try indigofera products. I heard a lot of great things about them. That’s next on my list.

  61. i first tried the curly pudding and was extremely disappointed. it made my hair hard and extremely dry and was highly upset that i spent so much $ on it. about two years later i waited until MJ’s end of year buy one get one free and tried the curly meringue and the stretch silkener and came to the conclusion that they were both the evil curly pudding disguised in different colors and scents. i need moisture and its like these products completely rob your hair of any moisture you may have had before and then mocks your pocketbook for having the nerve to spend good money on them.

  62. Miss Jessie’s products does not work well with my hair all the time. The silkner and repair treatment is all I can use other wise, I have a heavy flaky dry nest on my head.

    I love Earth’s Nectar Products use the Mint Shampoo, Mint Conditioner, Moni Milk, Hair milk, Mint Scalp Oil, Curly, Mist, and Aloe Gel. I also use their soaps. My hair is soft and mositurized. My hubby says it is like cotton.

    I use the Mist that is a deodorizer everyday–I workout. You can never smell the sweat in my hair. I love their products and use them pretty much exclusively on my hair. I previously had to go to the dermatologist for shampoo and scalp drops but I no longer use or need them.

    These products are worth the investment.

  63. Spechal K says:

    For the past 2 1/2 years, I have 98% transitioned my hair of all chemical relaxer, and whats left are my ends (which is only an inch, so I really need to let it go), and I have been looking for all natural products to use for my wavy/curly hair. Im learning about hair-typing (im a 3a/3b) or LS on the LOIS hair type scale. I just found out about Miss Jessie’s hair line in Target, and was wondering why this product was $60 if its not even “ALL NATURAL!!!” So I did my research, and i think im going to stay away. I havent heard enough good for me to kick out all that money.

    What I have been using that is WONDERFUL is Shea Moisture Raw Organic Shea Butter Recovery line in the tan bottles when I wear my hair curly, and when I get my hair blown out, I use the Ojon hair line. These products are great, and they are all natural. The Shea Moisture is $9.99 for each item, and Ojon can run you anywhere from $10 up to $50!!!

  64. I have been natural about 2 years, I have not used a single Miss Jessie’s product, and I never will!!! I’m not paying organic prices for products that are cheaply made.These ladies should be ashamed.

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